Thank you! I think we're very much on the same page. The Soundelux/Bock 251 (or Telefunken 251) are, I think, kind of the holy grail to me for what I'm trying to get something like. Obviously not necessarily to that caliber (or more importantly, price point), but that's the idea anyway.joninc wrote:I am a fan of character tones and for a long time my Lawson l47 was my go to mic for everything vocally but i after I did a few albums with female singers I started to want something airier and eventually I landed on the Peluso p12. I hate super bright mics but I find this one to be bright but not harsh. Can be very creamy with a tube pre like
A solo 610. I use it a lot. If you hunt around people will trash on pelusos but that model seems to get pretty solid reviews across the board. I first read about it in a thread on gsluts where UBK raved about it and I like a lot of the gear he designs.
It's not fat in the bass but I have never really missed that.
I have a friend who get amazing vocal tones out of his 414 uls by tweaking that eq on his millennia sst channel strip. Maybe an outboard eq could serve you well. The air band on the maag is pretty great and not expensive.
I have another friend with a soundelux 251 which is sort of the best middle ground if you have the bucks. The richness of a 47 with the airy top of a c12.
You've nailed some other mics I've been looking at for just the right reasons too. I've always liked darker mics and hate harshness, I'm just finding that often some nice shimmer can be gorgeous when sitting in a darker mix. I'm liking the idea of messing with the presence of different instruments by not just placing them forward and back by using room mics, reverb, or the stereo field, but also bringing out that really high clarity without just blasting people with 2-5k.
I've thought of getting a 414 for a while, and the kind of singers I'm looking to get this kind of mic for are the kind of singers I like a 414 for, but I don't have one myself. I know at some point I'll have at least a pair, but I thought I'd keep looking for other options too. The Peluso P12 is actually the first mic I looked at when I thought I might want a mic like this. I found some good HD Youtube examples (for example some from Weston College, on some female voices). I liked the sound but didn't get an instant feeling it was the one. Certainly doesn't rule it out, but didn't grab me enough to make me sure from that alone. I'll be trying to get my hands on one.
It's certainly piqued my interest, certainly not off the mark. The main reason I haven't really looked more into it is just trying to keep the price a bit lower. The Blackspade UM25C is actually the exact price of the Manley I've looked at that has in a way sparked this search. Trying to keep things around $2000 or less or so, otherwise this one would definitely be more in my radar. Interesting to hear a comparison to the M49 though. That kind of sound is something I've really fallen in love with, but isn't exactly the hole in my mic locker I'm looking to fill right yet, nor what I'd expect from a mic I assumed was much closer to a 251 than an M49. I haven't found a ton of samples though, or looked, since it's a little beyond the budget right now. Who knows though, if I don't love the AR51 that I'm going to get a chance to demo beforehand then the budget could stretch.blungo2 wrote:This may be way off the mark, but it's one i've had an interest in lately, maybe not airy enough? The blackspade model with the Thiersch capsule? I guess it's supposed to be similar to an M49. Seems interesting anyhow...