Can someone show me what a good drum recording sounds like?

Recording Techniques, People Skills, Gear, Recording Spaces, Computers, and DIY

Moderators: drumsound, tomb

Bro Shark
re-cappin' neve
Posts: 653
Joined: Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:22 pm
Location: SF

Post by Bro Shark » Wed May 14, 2014 3:50 pm

There shouldn't be a standard that exists in a vacuum, and what the drums sound like by themselves isn't really relevant unless the song itself contains a drums-only part. Even then: what's going on in the song at that point? What is the song trying to convey?

Some songs call for a dry, suffocating, intimate, small-room drum sound. Others may want that giant Bonzo in a Warehouse feel. Some might switch between those parts depending on the dynamics of the arrangement. It's up to you to make the drums make the song work using intuition and experience.

Going for an ideal drum sound and applying it unilaterally across a recording misses the point of the job.

At the very least, answering the question "what do they sound like in the room?" is as good a place to start as any.

^ My $0.02

drumsound
zen recordist
Posts: 6699
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:30 pm
Location: Bloomington IL
Contact:

Post by drumsound » Wed May 14, 2014 4:33 pm

Bro Shark wrote:There shouldn't be a standard that exists in a vacuum, and what the drums sound like by themselves isn't really relevant unless the song itself contains a drums-only part. Even then: what's going on in the song at that point? What is the song trying to convey?

Some songs call for a dry, suffocating, intimate, small-room drum sound. Others may want that giant Bonzo in a Warehouse feel. Some might switch between those parts depending on the dynamics of the arrangement. It's up to you to make the drums make the song work using intuition and experience.

Going for an ideal drum sound and applying it unilaterally across a recording misses the point of the job.

At the very least, answering the question "what do they sound like in the room?" is as good a place to start as any.

^ My $0.02
This is totally true but, hearing drums from a "successful" production (meaning drums that work in context of the production not something that sold x million copies) can inform us as engineers. It's interesting to hear the stems and multitracks that float around, and hearing how then went from raw track to part of a successful mix.

Bro Shark
re-cappin' neve
Posts: 653
Joined: Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:22 pm
Location: SF

Post by Bro Shark » Wed May 14, 2014 5:06 pm

That's a good point. I don't know why I went off on that rant except maybe that I wanted to iterate that solo'd instruments can sound really crappy, until you un-solo them and voila.

User avatar
vivalastblues
steve albini likes it
Posts: 348
Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:30 am
Location: Australia

Post by vivalastblues » Wed May 14, 2014 6:38 pm

Bro Shark wrote:At the very least, answering the question "what do they sound like in the room?" is as good a place to start as any.
this is a good point. I guess I'm trying to reconcile what it sounds like in the room with what I'm trying to listen for. Sometimes to me it 'sounds good in the room' and then when I listen back later or am at the mixing stage I'll realise it's not as good as I thought.

User avatar
digitaldrummer
dead but not forgotten
Posts: 2096
Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:51 pm
Location: Austin, Texas
Contact:

Post by digitaldrummer » Thu May 15, 2014 11:25 am

and just about anything posted on youtube is converted to sound like shite... so I would not make too many decisions based on that.

User avatar
Nick Sevilla
speech impediment
Posts: 4838
Joined: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:34 pm
Location: Los Angeles California USA
Contact:

Re: Can someone show me what a good drum recording sounds li

Post by Nick Sevilla » Tue May 20, 2014 10:45 pm

vivalastblues wrote:Just looking for a wave file or mp3 of solo drums that sound professional and good. I'm just after something to compare to my own drum sound, to hear where it should be at.

thanks
I'll try to post isolated drums from a recent recording don at my studio.

Cheers
Realizing vibratory excursions from a paper widget.

percussion boy
carpal tunnel
Posts: 1512
Joined: Wed May 07, 2003 5:51 pm
Location: Bay Area

Post by percussion boy » Thu May 22, 2014 12:39 am

Bro Shark wrote:That's a good point. I don't know why I went off on that rant except maybe that I wanted to iterate that solo'd instruments can sound really crappy, until you un-solo them and voila.
And sometimes the solo'd track is not so much crappy as just really boring.

I remember hearing some basic tracks to Marvin Gaye's "What's Goin On" once, -- a song that sounds great as a mix and band performance. The drum track alone just sounded like . . . drums. Clear, undramatic, playing in time. And yet that's a fantastic drum track when it's heard as part of the finished product.

Go figure . . .
"The world don't need no more songs." - Bob Dylan

"Why does the Creator send me such knuckleheads?" - Sun Ra
.
.
.
.

$uperpuma
audio school
Posts: 5
Joined: Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:07 am
Location: Sacto, CA
Contact:

Post by $uperpuma » Fri May 30, 2014 3:28 pm

Bump to add Zappa's "Bongo Fury"
Bozzio. And a good snare sound.
Solder Monkey for Single Fin Group and $uperpuma Small Time Circuitry

Mike's Mix Room
audio school graduate
Posts: 12
Joined: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:15 am
Location: St. Pete, FL
Contact:

Post by Mike's Mix Room » Sat May 31, 2014 9:03 pm

Here's a link to my blog about a recording I did last year at The Springs Theatre in Tampa, FL.

http://mikemajormix.com/2013/07/recordi ... dio-files/

There's a link in the blog that allows you to download an audio file (you may want to read the explanation in the blog when you listen).

I think it turned out nicely. The drummer was very good, had a nice kit, and The Springs Theatre sounds amazing!

More explanation about the setup on this blog:

http://mikemajormix.com/2013/06/recordi ... -in-tampa/

I know what you're going through and when I was a newbie, it drove me crazy that I didn't have access to "professional tracks" so I could compare them with where I was. Hope this helps a bit? The other links that everyone posted thus far were cool too. I freaking love "Barracuda" and agree that it's one of the best rock drum tracks of all time. Nice to hear it in solo!

User avatar
Nick Sevilla
speech impediment
Posts: 4838
Joined: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:34 pm
Location: Los Angeles California USA
Contact:

Post by Nick Sevilla » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:59 pm

Hi,

I am pretty much done with this track, so here are links to both the finished ( I hope) mix, and the drum tracks, isolated.

Cheers

Full mix:

https://soundcloud.com/nick-53-1/pasion-junio4

Isolated drum track:

http://soundcloud.com/nick-53-1/pasion-junio4drumsiso
Realizing vibratory excursions from a paper widget.

User avatar
Zygomorph
pushin' record
Posts: 225
Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:56 pm
Location: Kensington, Brooklyn, NY
Contact:

Post by Zygomorph » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:29 pm

One of the only drum sounds that makes me go "damn, what is going on here?" each time. Probably something to do with total isolation and general awesomeness. I also love giant, wooden snares.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbkqE4fpvdI&feature=kp
ethical action gets the good.
audio.johnmichaelswartz.com

User avatar
vvv
zen recordist
Posts: 8655
Joined: Tue May 13, 2003 8:08 am
Location: Chi
Contact:

Post by vvv » Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:31 pm

Especially love that kick, Nick! 8)
bandcamp; vlayman;
THD; Geronimo Cowboys;
blog.
I mix with olive juice.

cjogo
re-cappin' neve
Posts: 676
Joined: Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:06 pm
Location: Carmel
Contact:

Post by cjogo » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:58 pm

whatever happened to ~ just push record......

User avatar
Neal
gettin' sounds
Posts: 105
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:00 am
Location: Fargo,ND/Moorhead,MN
Contact:

Post by Neal » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:57 pm

+1 for Levee intro, but we all know that

Also, +1 that YouzTube sounds like caca but there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14GYov0EdyQ

and this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Une3h7oN71c

You really do gotta keep it in the context of the mix though

cjogo
re-cappin' neve
Posts: 676
Joined: Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:06 pm
Location: Carmel
Contact:

Live 4 mics

Post by cjogo » Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:25 am

whatever happened to ~ just push record......

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: digitaldrummer and 20 guests