Can I tastefully auto tune these back up Vocals?

christiannokes · Post by **christiannokes** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:30 pm

I recorded a live band and the back up singers are out of tune with each other in many parts of the songs AND they are singing through 1 mic.

Auto tune won't work in this kind of situation as far as I know.

I just turned them down when the are out of key but that sucks. What would you do? Any way around this?

vvv · Post by **vvv** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:25 am

You could try the autochoon but I wouldn't be hopeful.

Seems to me you have a cuppla choices:

EQ to emphasize the better singer?

Effect the hell out of 'em (chorus, delay, reverb, mebbe some distortion);

Turn 'em down/gain-ride 'em;

Turn 'em up and call 'em "alt-folk".

G'luck.

floid · Post by **floid** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:03 am

vvv wrote: Autochoon 'em, effect the hell out of 'em,
turn 'em up and call 'em "organo-glitch".

mrpicholas · Post by **mrpicholas** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:36 am

Celemony Melodyne in Polyphonic mode may be able to extract just the out-of-tune-ness and let you correct it. Fooling around I've taken just one note of a strummed guitar and moved it (major to minor).

I believe it has a 30 day trial so you could see.

brenthahn · Post by **brenthahn** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:55 am

If it's gonna work at all, it would be Melodyne, not Autotune. But bear in mind that in a live setting the leakage will get tuned, too. You might be better off replacing the BG's.

mrpicholas · Post by **mrpicholas** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:27 am

Celemony Melodyne in Polyphonic mode may be able to extract just the out-of-tune-ness and let you correct it. Fooling around I've taken just one note of a strummed guitar and moved it (major to minor).

I believe it has a 30 day trial so you could see.

digitaldrummer · Post by **digitaldrummer** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:12 am

brenthahn wrote: You might be better off replacing the BG's.

this. overdub it.

Gregg Juke · Post by **Gregg Juke** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:34 am

Did you get good isolation?
I agree, doing them over would be the best thing. But you could also try "dodging" them-- selectively muting and leave in the parts that work. I did that with a sax solo that was problematic every time a particular diminished chord came up, also with guitar too; just took the offending parts out. Obviously you've got to be planfully musical, you can't just indiscriminately hack. But if they sang more "on" than "off," it might work.

GJ

christiannokes · Post by **christiannokes** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:27 pm

I did get pretty good isolation from the instruments into their 1 vocal mic.

It was a live performance and I can't go back and re-record the vocals...and I don't think they could pull off doing a sneaky post-performance over dub.

They are more "off" than they are "on".

I've been looking at the Melodyne Editor and it looks totally sweet, but I am running Logic 9 on a PPC which isn't supported by Editor (which is the only version that has the polyphonic tuning capabilities).

Are there any other polyphonic pitch correction plugins out there that would work for Apple G5 PPC (non-Intel)?

roscoenyc · Post by **roscoenyc** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:09 pm

nothing that I know of that will do what Melodyne does.

MoreSpaceEcho · Post by **MoreSpaceEcho** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:21 pm

Gregg Juke wrote: planfully

wait what?

Gregg Juke · Post by **Gregg Juke** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:02 pm

Perhaps it was a poor choice of words; not "planfully" as in "ahead of time," because he couldn't have known, but more or less "artfully" and "musically," or, not indiscriminately. Listen to the backing vox parts while listening to the rhythm track, find what you can and cannot unobtrusively duck out of, fade into, etc., etc. It's certainly a lot more work than just doing it over the right way!

To the OP-- It won't be just isolation on the vox track(s), but vice-versa, as in, are there a lot of vocal sounds in the instrument tracks? If you replace them, mute them, erase them or tune them, you still may have to deal with "ghosting" from leftover crappy vocal-take bleed into other tracks and any room mikes!

GJ

Nick Sevilla · Post by **Nick Sevilla** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:24 pm

RERECORD IT.

christiannokes · Post by **christiannokes** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:35 pm

Yeah there is bleeding of the vocals into a couple other mics, but not too bad.

I think I would be able to turn up the (hypothetically) Melodyned vocals loud enough in the mix to smash the ghosting. My plan was to turn them up loud anyways.

Thank you guys for your suggestions and ideas. Good stuff

lyman · Post by **lyman** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:31 am

This is a pretty out there idea that hasn't been mentioned yet: Play the recording for the band and ask if they can live with it?

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