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Post by cgarges » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:56 pm

So, what's up with the original release of "La Grange?" That's gotta be a bad tape edit, right?

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Post by Gregg Juke » Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:49 am

By Frank's Beard, what do you mean, Chris?

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Post by cgarges » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:10 pm

Have you not heard the drum fill after the breakdown parts (the tom triplets after the rim bit) that leads back into the verse riff on the original recording? It's missing an eighth note triplet.

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Post by Gregg Juke » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:45 am

Unintentional double-post removed!

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Post by Gregg Juke » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:45 am

I don't know if I have the vinyl under a basket somewhere at home or in-studio, but I did listen to two different YouTube versions on vinyl (apparently claiming to be "original mix"). I can't hear what you're talking about. Could you find it in one of the following links and point to a time marker? I'm counting "4" all the way through and can't discern anything funny, other than some sloppy/loose fills on the last solo rideout...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yhjWs6Gc0Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijcLfqSPzdI

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PS-- There is a little "flub" thing just before that last fill back into the groove, but it sounds more like he was coming in early, then corrected himself, rather than an edit... I suppose it could be. Is that what you mean? (about 2:18 in the second vid)
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Post by Gregg Juke » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:49 am

And this discussion reminds me of this bit from Todd Rundgren; I always loved this intro!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G4at_OQenQ

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Post by cgarges » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:33 am

Crazy! It's not on either of those Youtube clips. I'll find it.

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Post by cgarges » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:47 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA0sZnaDIDo

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Post by Gregg Juke » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:54 am

Woh! Definitely there!

I wonder how they "fixed" it on later copies (pre-digital). I've seen folks "fly" some pretty insane stuff in from DAT machine or samplers, and I got pretty good at taping bits of bad cuts back onto the reel, but this seems like something different.

Weird...

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Post by cgarges » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:57 am

They could have cut in in from the first time that fill happens, at the top of the tune. That could have even been done on the 2-track master. In fact, it probably was.

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Post by Gregg Juke » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:38 am

Yes, but then I wonder why such a glaringly obvious glitch was let out of the studio, and then the mastering room, in the first place?

I've never heard that before (thanks Chris)... As a record collector of some sort, I now have to wonder if the "crappy" version is worth more than the "fixed" version, somehow? Assuming both versions as relatively early pressings(?)...

I had heard about a Miles Davis LP on which the label had a mistake (a misprint; "Flamenco Sketches" and "All Blues" titles were switched). I was playing "All Blues" on the radio once, when a guy called and insisted (at length) that I announced the wrong track-- that the internationally recognized jazz standard "All Blues" was actually "Flamenco Sketches" and I had better make an announcement to correct/retract the initial one...

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Post by drumsound » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:43 am

That La Grange thing is crazy. I wonder if that's a later pressing where something when wrong with the production master.

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Post by lysander » Fri May 01, 2015 10:54 am

Gotta agree, that La Grange thing is egregious. Sounds like someone doing a transfer with the master fader down, reading a copy of TapeOp...

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