Drum overheads: Gefell, Sony
Drum overheads: Gefell, Sony
I have a little basement studio that is currently disassembled as we wait (and wait and wait) for contractors to do some work that will keep the walls from collapsing. What audio work I do right now is with a crappy Tascam 2-channel interface, a mic or two and a laptop.
Before the disassembly, I had settled on a Sony c38b and Warm WA14 as my overheads of choice, sounded decent. But in the last month or two I picked up a Gefell UM70S. So far, it sounds good on vocals and acoustic guitar, but I've never heard it over the drum kit.
If you've heard both, which would you lean toward for OH?
For me the Sony was a real eye opener, detail and clarity for days, and really nice non-crunchy cymbals. I'm doing roots rock, low volume-ish stuff, not punk/thrash/metal.
Any thoughts appreciated. Next time I have $1000 or so saved up I might try to get a second mic to have matching overheads.
Before the disassembly, I had settled on a Sony c38b and Warm WA14 as my overheads of choice, sounded decent. But in the last month or two I picked up a Gefell UM70S. So far, it sounds good on vocals and acoustic guitar, but I've never heard it over the drum kit.
If you've heard both, which would you lean toward for OH?
For me the Sony was a real eye opener, detail and clarity for days, and really nice non-crunchy cymbals. I'm doing roots rock, low volume-ish stuff, not punk/thrash/metal.
Any thoughts appreciated. Next time I have $1000 or so saved up I might try to get a second mic to have matching overheads.
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Re: Drum overheads: Gefell, Sony
kinda depends how you use the overheads in the mix... are they a big part of what makes your drum sound or used as "cymbal" mics...
I recently got a UM70s as well and have been using it on everything I can (vocals, acoustic, gtr amp, bass amp, overheads, piano) to see where it shines and one thing I notice is that it is somewhat "lean" in the lower mids/bass unless it is right up against the source so as an overhead it will give you lots of presence and detail but not as much body - which may be fine if you favour close mics for that anyway.
I know a lot of guys love them as drum room mics as well.
my 414 Buls mics aren't as bright and may seem "fuller" by comparison but have a little low mid honk that I luke to duck out.
not sure how the sony compares as I don't have one.
So it will probably have a lot to do with the context of the music you record and how bright/crisp vs chunky/thick you want your drums to sound.
I recently got a UM70s as well and have been using it on everything I can (vocals, acoustic, gtr amp, bass amp, overheads, piano) to see where it shines and one thing I notice is that it is somewhat "lean" in the lower mids/bass unless it is right up against the source so as an overhead it will give you lots of presence and detail but not as much body - which may be fine if you favour close mics for that anyway.
I know a lot of guys love them as drum room mics as well.
my 414 Buls mics aren't as bright and may seem "fuller" by comparison but have a little low mid honk that I luke to duck out.
not sure how the sony compares as I don't have one.
So it will probably have a lot to do with the context of the music you record and how bright/crisp vs chunky/thick you want your drums to sound.
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Re: Drum overheads: Gefell, Sony
I’ve read that “lean bass” thing about the UM70, and right now I’m using it close in my untreated living room. Sounds decent.
The C38b is even across the spectrum, I think, not massive on the low end for sure, but not lean. I’d have to listen back to things I tracked a couple months ago.
So maybe the Sony’s are the better overhead choice. I’m working in a fairly crappy room, and close-mic’ing is always a good idea. A couple years ago I got an AEA r92, designed for close mic’ing. So. Maybe when I have the money, another c38 for OH duty, and use the UM70 as a close vocal/guitar/whatever mic. The WA14 will hopefully be a useful all-rounder if I move it off the drum kit.
The C38b is even across the spectrum, I think, not massive on the low end for sure, but not lean. I’d have to listen back to things I tracked a couple months ago.
So maybe the Sony’s are the better overhead choice. I’m working in a fairly crappy room, and close-mic’ing is always a good idea. A couple years ago I got an AEA r92, designed for close mic’ing. So. Maybe when I have the money, another c38 for OH duty, and use the UM70 as a close vocal/guitar/whatever mic. The WA14 will hopefully be a useful all-rounder if I move it off the drum kit.
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Re: Drum overheads: Gefell, Sony
I'm from the school of:
Overheads are the main source for the drumkit, and all other microphones are supplements to make the overhead(s) sound more detailed in the mix.
Of course, it depends on the music style and what you are trying to go for. From your description, I would stick with the Sony C38b. This way you get the full picture of the drumkit. then, add other mics to get any part of the drumkit which is not present enough in the overheads to your liking.
Usually, you'll end up micing the kick, but who knows? Do what sounds good to you for your music.
Two mics on the drumkit: One overhead, omni, and a kick mic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTCY7hA ... YL-JKQOquR
Overheads are the main source for the drumkit, and all other microphones are supplements to make the overhead(s) sound more detailed in the mix.
Of course, it depends on the music style and what you are trying to go for. From your description, I would stick with the Sony C38b. This way you get the full picture of the drumkit. then, add other mics to get any part of the drumkit which is not present enough in the overheads to your liking.
Usually, you'll end up micing the kick, but who knows? Do what sounds good to you for your music.
Two mics on the drumkit: One overhead, omni, and a kick mic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTCY7hA ... YL-JKQOquR
Howling at the neighbors. Hoping they have more mic cables.
Re: Drum overheads: Gefell, Sony
Zombie thread alert!
I have been using a pair of Sony c38b’s for overheads for a couple of years, and they sound great.
But this week I ordered a pair of Mojave MA-100’s tube SDC’s from reverb, and I want to A/B them with the Sony’s and see what sounds good. If the Sony’s sound better then I have mics for acoustic guitar etc. if the Mojave’s sound better I have a pair of C38b’s for whatever.
So I don’t really have a question. But I’m getting more cool mics and can’t wait to see where they work best.
I have been using a pair of Sony c38b’s for overheads for a couple of years, and they sound great.
But this week I ordered a pair of Mojave MA-100’s tube SDC’s from reverb, and I want to A/B them with the Sony’s and see what sounds good. If the Sony’s sound better then I have mics for acoustic guitar etc. if the Mojave’s sound better I have a pair of C38b’s for whatever.
So I don’t really have a question. But I’m getting more cool mics and can’t wait to see where they work best.
Re: Drum overheads: Gefell, Sony
But did you get the basement walls fixed?
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Yeah, danger of collapse is over, according to the engineer who designed the fix
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Re: Drum overheads: Gefell, Sony
the Mojave SDCs are really great. I have one of the 101-fet's. Also no longer in production. but they only stopped making them because they just didn't sell enough of them compared to their LDCs. If you don't prefer them on the overheads, they do make great acoustic guitar mics. also good on ride, hihat, percussion, etc.
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I'll be interested to know what you think of the Mojave mics.
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Been meaning to try different things but D 19 does it for me .,,so far.
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Re: Drum overheads: Gefell, Sony
Well... which ones did you like "bettah?"standup wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:33 pmZombie thread alert!
I have been using a pair of Sony c38b’s for overheads for a couple of years, and they sound great.
But this week I ordered a pair of Mojave MA-100’s tube SDC’s from reverb, and I want to A/B them with the Sony’s and see what sounds good. If the Sony’s sound better then I have mics for acoustic guitar etc. if the Mojave’s sound better I have a pair of C38b’s for whatever.
So I don’t really have a question. But I’m getting more cool mics and can’t wait to see where they work best.
Howling at the neighbors. Hoping they have more mic cables.
Re: Drum overheads: Gefell, Sony
My wife's the drummer of the house, so it will be this weekend before I can get her to do some tracks.
I did track some acoustic guitar and backing vocals with it. My playing on the acoustic bit was a bit hamfisted, I want to try something more delicate and see how it sounds. It sounds good on acoustic, but my playing is a distraction.
I also did some backing vocals with it, and it doesn't sound as nice as the Barbaric Amplification tube mic I use most often for vocals at the moment. But hey, maybe there's a reason people use large diaphragm condensers on vocals...
I did track some acoustic guitar and backing vocals with it. My playing on the acoustic bit was a bit hamfisted, I want to try something more delicate and see how it sounds. It sounds good on acoustic, but my playing is a distraction.
I also did some backing vocals with it, and it doesn't sound as nice as the Barbaric Amplification tube mic I use most often for vocals at the moment. But hey, maybe there's a reason people use large diaphragm condensers on vocals...
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Re: Drum overheads: Gefell, Sony
maybe try the Omni capsule at a distance of 1-2 feet for a bg/harmony vocal and see how that works for a different texture? MA100/101 would not be my first choice for a lead vocal but it has plenty of other uses.
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Re: Drum overheads: Gefell, Sony
I've heard some folks say the 101 is the biz on snare drum too. I keep my eye out for them now and then.digitaldrummer wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:00 amthe Mojave SDCs are really great. I have one of the 101-fet's. Also no longer in production. but they only stopped making them because they just didn't sell enough of them compared to their LDCs. If you don't prefer them on the overheads, they do make great acoustic guitar mics. also good on ride, hihat, percussion, etc.
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