Bantam TT to 1/4 for guitar pedal after recorded?

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Bantam TT to 1/4 for guitar pedal after recorded?

Post by wing » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:45 pm

Hi there,
I sometimes want to take a dry guitar that was pre-recorded and play with pedals after the fact (and also I love the idea of running my drum buss through some of my pedals to create some real chaos). With my setup I have my audio interface hooked up to my 96TT patchbay. I was thinking the easiest and least fussy way to approach this would be get a couple Bantam TT to 1/4" cables (like this one) and then that way I can patch from my one of my interface channel outs to my interface channel ins as needed.

Seems like a better option than getting another 1/4 patchbay and the expense of more snakes to feed it, when really I'm only going to do this for one pedal and one track at a time. But before I buy expensive cables, will it work correctly as planned? Is this indeed the best way to go about this in my scenario? Thanks!

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Re: Bantam TT to 1/4 for guitar pedal after recorded?

Post by A.David.MacKinnon » Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:24 am

No 1/4” patchbay needed but you may want to look into buying or making a re-amp box. It’s a bigger issue going from the interface into an amp but pedals benefit too. If you just go bantam to 1/4 you’ll really want to watch you’re output levels. The pedal will be looking for a way lower input level then the interface will give out.
You may also want to run the pedal out into a DI and pre to get back in.

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Re: Bantam TT to 1/4 for guitar pedal after recorded?

Post by The Scum » Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:43 am

With most pedals, those cables won't work.

But for a kinda dumb and unexpected reason: guitar pedals expect that the input jack is a TS connector, and use the sleeve as a power switch. With a TRS jack, the switch stays open, and the pedal doesn't power on.

The reamp suggestoion is valid. There's nothing magic in them, just a convenient & usually proper balanced-to-unbalanced adapter with a level control.

I often follow pedals like that with thew the DI input of a preamp, to get the signal boosted back up to reasonable levels.
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Post by vvv » Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:26 pm

Actually, the re-amp box is to adjust impedance, no?
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Post by wing » Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:46 pm

Ah ok, that makes sense. Thanks for answering, I'm not always so technical so I definitely wanted to make sure I do it the right way. I've heard of re-amping but I've simply never done it before. Excited to play around! One last question though: if my interface has a DI input on the front for guitars, can I go straight from a pedal into this? Or do I still need to use a separate DI?

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Post by Snarl 12/8 » Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:59 pm

wing wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:46 pm
One last question though: if my interface has a DI input on the front for guitars, can I go straight from a pedal into this? Or do I still need to use a separate DI?
No, you're right, no need for DI in this case.

Too be pedantically thorough though, you don't *need* a DI in either case. If you manage levels right and get a little lucky it can work without DI, it just makes things easier, usually sounds better, safer for equipment, etc.
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Post by vvv » Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:31 pm

FWIW, a lot of Boss pedals will work as well as a direct box (what is what i think is more what you need than a re-amp box, what is something somewhat different as a DI box is for going in, the re-amp is for coming out the recorder altho' "no rules", etc.).
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Re: Bantam TT to 1/4 for guitar pedal after recorded?

Post by TapeOpLarry » Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:53 am

Re-amping devices will reduce output level and set up proper output impedance to feed into units that are expecting guitar output-type levels.

from Wikipedia:
"Playing back a signal from recording studio equipment directly into a guitar amplifier can cause unwanted side-effects such as input-stage distortion, treble loss or overemphasis, and ground-loop hum; thus there is sometimes a need for impedance conversion, level-matching, and ground alteration."
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