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Re: Live Off the Floor in a Small Room

Post by joninc » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:57 pm

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Many years ago an engineer stuck a KM88 in a piece of foam in the feet of the bridge of my upright bass. Sounded great. I have no idea what pattern he was using, I was Isolated so it could have been omni but don't know. Sounded great. I've never seen one since.
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Re: Live Off the Floor in a Small Room

Post by vernier » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:11 pm

Looks neat. Looking forward to hearing some . . I like the mic selection used.

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Re: Live Off the Floor in a Small Room

Post by digitaldrummer » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:01 am

I hope this is seen as a contribution and not a hijack. :-)

I also have a small, single room studio. Mine is 19' x 25' with 15' vaulted ceilings. The other night I recorded a 3-piece funky, blues-rock trio (live off the floor as this thread suggests) and I think it turned out very nice. Sorry I won't be able to share it (at least not yet). I've done this before too, but just didn't always take pictures. This thread reminded me to take a few...

First the room layout:
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Re: Live Off the Floor in a Small Room

Post by digitaldrummer » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:04 am

Next, the drums (always most important in the room, even though I was not playing on this session. LOL)
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Then the bass position (which was through a DI):
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then the vocal "booth":
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Re: Live Off the Floor in a Small Room

Post by digitaldrummer » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:13 am

here's what the gobo around the guitar amp looked like:
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Re: Live Off the Floor in a Small Room

Post by digitaldrummer » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:15 am

and more detail of the pseudo vocal booth:
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Re: Live Off the Floor in a Small Room

Post by digitaldrummer » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:25 am

recording chain....

Vocals - Shure SM7B into Universal Audio LA-610. I chose this mic because it has pretty good rejection, but there was still a lot of bleed and I knew there would be. It's mostly drums though so that will end up being part of the overall drum sound.

Guitar amp - Nsonic NS1 (this is a chinese ribbon similar to the Nady RSM-3 and essentially a R-121 clone). Also had a Slate ML-2 (yes. the SDC modeling mic). I panned these hard L/R and it sounds pretty good.

Bass - Radial JDI into an A-Designs EM-Gold. Fantastic electric bass sound (but great player too).

Drums - Telefunken M82 inside kick, SM57 on snare, AKG 414b-uls overheads, AKG 451B's on ride and hihat, 421's on toms. You see some others in the pictures but they were not used.

Room - I had a pair of AT4033's going into Bart HRK MP568C (with Brit and Ge console "colour" modules)

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Re: Live Off the Floor in a Small Room

Post by drumsound » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:44 am

Cool set up. I dig the orange walls at your place.

Are the bass and guitar players brothers? Their faces look really similar. :wink:

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Re: Live Off the Floor in a Small Room

Post by digitaldrummer » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:12 am

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Cool set up. I dig the orange walls at your place.

Are the bass and guitar players brothers? Their faces look really similar. :wink:
I don't think it's quite as orange as the pictures make it look - officially the color is "mexican chile" -slightly more red. And yeah, I think brothers from another mother... and the drummer too. :D
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Re: Live Off the Floor in a Small Room

Post by vvv » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:51 am

I am not a active fan, nor V's - what a lovely 'ray.

Great room, too!


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Re: Live Off the Floor in a Small Room

Post by A.David.MacKinnon » Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:20 pm

That’s a great looking spot!
Feel free to hijack this thread. I’m interested in seeing how other folks with similar rooms handle live sessions.

Is the live vocal from your session the keeper? Mine also had a fair bit of bleed but nothing unmanageable and it adds nice ambience to the drums. No room mics needed.

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Re: Live Off the Floor in a Small Room

Post by digitaldrummer » Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:32 pm

yeah, the room mics may not get used if we do keep the vocal - I'm waiting for the singer to tell me if he's happy with it (got all the words, notes, etc.). I can definitely work with it as is. the guitar tracks have almost zero bleed - I'm kind of amazed honestly. even the Fig8 ribbon was protected by the gobo so that worked out well.
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Re: Live Off the Floor in a Small Room

Post by A.David.MacKinnon » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:55 pm

I've never really had issues with bleed in the amp mic. It's often the other way around with too much amp in the drums. Even then, guitar amps are so directional that you can aim them away from the drums and be fine.

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Re: Live Off the Floor in a Small Room

Post by markjazzbassist » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:29 am

vvv wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:51 am
I am not a active fan, nor V's - what a lovely 'ray.

Great room, too!


And the Swiffer let's us know ya keeps it clean. :twisted:
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Re: Live Off the Floor in a Small Room

Post by vvv » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:39 am

No wonder I love it! I have an 80's F-100 guitar about matches it.

Shoulda known by the switches; reckon I was fooled by that it's a V, the pups and the uber-fashionable headstock accessory. :oops:
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