How to get a newly-recorded vocal to sit with samples from shellac 78s?

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Re: How to get a newly-recorded vocal to sit with samples from shellac 78s?

Post by digitaldrummer » Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:09 pm

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What are people's thoughts on iZotope's Vinyl plugin? It's free…
I did use it on a record once several years ago. it was a friends 80 year old father playing a Plectrum Banjo and his 2 sons - probably in their 50's - playing acoustic guitar. A bunch of old "riverboat" songs. I started the first song with the scratchy vinyl sound (so it sounded like an old 78) and then faded into "normal" fidelity. but I haven't used it since. don't think it's even installed.
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Re: How to get a newly-recorded vocal to sit with samples from shellac 78s?

Post by KermitPickle » Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:22 pm

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I'm wondering if maybe you could just make the vocals lo-fi but in a little different way that makes them fit into the space *not* used by the 78's.
Not sure what you mean--can you explain?

Basically, if I could get a vocal to sound more or less in this ballpark, then I'd be happy.

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Re: How to get a newly-recorded vocal to sit with samples from shellac 78s?

Post by The Scum » Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:28 pm

So, first off, sing like that. Rise into those vowels, then hang on them. Don't sing too loud. Add some vintagey vibrato. Nobody sings like that anymore.

Second, try lopping off the highs and lows. Nothing below 120 Hz, nothing above 7 kHz. Maybe with a dynamic mic or a ribbon.

It's noisy, but not too distorted...but you could try adding just a hair - I'd do it before the highpass/lowpass, so it doesn't add brightness.

If the source material has surface noise, I don't know that adding any more would help. If you do add some, again cut the highs and lows on it.
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Re: How to get a newly-recorded vocal to sit with samples from shellac 78s?

Post by winky dinglehoffer » Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:06 am

Probably would help if your singer smoked a pack of Luckies or Camel unfiltered before and during recording.

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Re: How to get a newly-recorded vocal to sit with samples from shellac 78s?

Post by Scodiddly » Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:52 am

KermitPickle wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:22 pm
Scodiddly wrote:
Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:34 pm
I'm wondering if maybe you could just make the vocals lo-fi but in a little different way that makes them fit into the space *not* used by the 78's.
Not sure what you mean--can you explain?

Basically, if I could get a vocal to sound more or less in this ballpark, then I'd be happy.
Great tune. What I'm hearing is no lows or much in the way of highs. Tiny bit of distortion. Obviously the vocal style is going to be a factor. No reverb at all, very dry.

Maybe reamp through a small guitar amp with an omni mic to avoid adding bass through proximity effect? If I was doing it all in the box I'd add a bit of distortion *before* the EQ.

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Re: How to get a newly-recorded vocal to sit with samples from shellac 78s?

Post by Scodiddly » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:21 am

Something else you could try is just to record the vocal to your phone. It'll be a bit band limited and probably limited, though not as lo-fi as you'd think.

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Re: How to get a newly-recorded vocal to sit with samples from shellac 78s?

Post by Nick Sevilla » Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:12 am

KermitPickle wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:22 pm
Basically, if I could get a vocal to sound more or less in this ballpark, then I'd be happy.
Try a CARBON microphone.

https://soundbridge.io/carbon-microphones/

http://antiqueoutings.com/double-button ... icrophone/
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