"Put some more snap in the kick," a reverie
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"Put some more snap in the kick," a reverie
It's crazy the odd, chance things that you'll hear that stick with you, that become the mantras of your life.
I remember watching a TV movie of the Carpenters, not particularly a paragon of anything musical as far as I know, and there was a scene in the recording studio, and a throwaway line: "We're trying to put more snap in the kick drum." And then later on in the movie, another scene in a recording studio, and you hear the same line. "Gotta put some more snap in the kick drum."
Given the overall quality of the movie, I just assumed that slip-shod production had landed the same line twice, and by the time it was edited it was too late, and who would care anyway?
Then, later, I devised a conspiracy theory that Richard Carpenter, the surviving one, was trying to reach through the morass of this pitiful flick and offer some useful advice, maybe the secret of their success?
Anyway, this thought stuck with me--capturing a smooth, identifiable snap off the kick, translating that into the mix, creates a real solid, y'know, credibility for a song. It's a character that brings a mix into the realm of the worthwhile, rather than the attempted and failed.
I was reminded of this yesterday, mixing a free-for-all jam session with a dozen guitars and a whole stage of music students. When I finally got the kick to behave, the whole thing just fell together. All its other faults were negated. The music was happening, joyful, a great sea of rock and roll feeling.
Now, tell me your mantras.[/b]
I remember watching a TV movie of the Carpenters, not particularly a paragon of anything musical as far as I know, and there was a scene in the recording studio, and a throwaway line: "We're trying to put more snap in the kick drum." And then later on in the movie, another scene in a recording studio, and you hear the same line. "Gotta put some more snap in the kick drum."
Given the overall quality of the movie, I just assumed that slip-shod production had landed the same line twice, and by the time it was edited it was too late, and who would care anyway?
Then, later, I devised a conspiracy theory that Richard Carpenter, the surviving one, was trying to reach through the morass of this pitiful flick and offer some useful advice, maybe the secret of their success?
Anyway, this thought stuck with me--capturing a smooth, identifiable snap off the kick, translating that into the mix, creates a real solid, y'know, credibility for a song. It's a character that brings a mix into the realm of the worthwhile, rather than the attempted and failed.
I was reminded of this yesterday, mixing a free-for-all jam session with a dozen guitars and a whole stage of music students. When I finally got the kick to behave, the whole thing just fell together. All its other faults were negated. The music was happening, joyful, a great sea of rock and roll feeling.
Now, tell me your mantras.[/b]
Re: "Put some more snap in the kick," a reverie
My current mantra is "No Pussyfooting." Meaning, when there is a decision to make, just sit, think about it, make a decision, and make that decision work. No self-sabotaging indecision allowed to slow down the writing process.
Re: "Put some more snap in the kick," a reverie
Joel...with all respect, I think you may be digging way too deeply into the Carpenters movie for a message. Or maybe you're just drinking a lot of coffee lately...
My mantra lately has been "Know when to quit." I think that this is an essential lesson to learn for all project studios.
My mantra lately has been "Know when to quit." I think that this is an essential lesson to learn for all project studios.
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Re: "Put some more snap in the kick," a reverie
I prefer the general idea of "Experiment until it becomes more of a hassle rather than an improvement." I spent over 2 hours the other day playing with a snare sound and I ended up scrapping the whole 2 hours worth of plugin and outboard settings, only to settle on the sound I got in the first 10 minutes of playing around. Sometimes, it's best to know your own limitations on top of wanting to experiment with sound.
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When I hit a snag my mantra is "listen to something you like and try to take away from it what you know made it sound like it does and apply it"
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Re: "Put some more snap in the kick," a reverie
From someone's signature here:
"Keep it stupid simple"
"Keep it stupid simple"
Signage of the times.
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serve the song.
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embrace the bleed...
I thought this club was for musicians. Who let the drummer in here??
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sounds like a (insert intrument here) to me...
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strong enough for a man, but ph balanced for a woman.
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My secondary mantra is to avoid listening to, mixing or recording or playing in, on or around "free-for-all jam sessions."
For my primary mantra, see below.
For my primary mantra, see below.
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my only mantra is *i've gotta knife* i've even made t-shirts and stencils about town, complete with a knife....
*i've gotta pea* would also be a great mantra, especially if you were holding a can of peas.
*i've gotta pea* would also be a great mantra, especially if you were holding a can of peas.
Re: "Put some more snap in the kick," a reverie
always make the guitarist do it again....
(on a different track !)
(on a different track !)
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Re: "Put some more snap in the kick," a reverie
BETTER TO HAVE IT AND NOT NEED IT, THAN TO NEED IT AND NOT HAVE IT!
OR,
ONCE YOU GET LOCKED INTO A SERIOUS DRUG COLLECTION, THE TENDANCY IS TO PUSH IT AS FAR AS POSSIBLE.
OR,
ONCE YOU GET LOCKED INTO A SERIOUS DRUG COLLECTION, THE TENDANCY IS TO PUSH IT AS FAR AS POSSIBLE.
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Re: "Put some more snap in the kick," a reverie
"Everything louder than everything else" is a favorite.
Another good one has been:
"If it happens once, it's a 'fuckup.' Twice, it's a 'choice.' Three times, it's a 'style'."
Another good one has been:
"If it happens once, it's a 'fuckup.' Twice, it's a 'choice.' Three times, it's a 'style'."
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"Lots of people are nostalgic for analog. I suspect they're people who never had to work with it." ? Brian Eno
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