I hate all the reverb plugs or hardware I have ever heard.

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I hate all the reverb plugs or hardware I have ever heard.

Post by Ryan Silva » Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:23 pm

I always think they sound good for a minute but then after repeated listening They all start to bug me. It's the artaficial quality I cant stand. It seems like it's easy to find good delay, compression, EQ, or even distortion effects. But reverb I'm just never happy, with one exeption Yamaha's SPX900 sounded alright, but I don't have that kinnda money to spend on reverb. Any Ideas???
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Re: I hate all the reverb plugs or hardware I have ever hear

Post by joel hamilton » Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:29 pm

Use what you have, better.

Seriously. There are the CHEESIEST reverb boxes on earth that under the right circumstances, kick ass. I used an MPX100 for en entire record a while back, and I had to filter and manipulate it a bunch, but it worked and added a nice depth and space to everything.

If that does not work for you, start saving for a lexicon 480 or better, or maybe just chamber everything in your live room? I have chambered cheap reverbs to make them sound "real" and that works amazingly well. Just send your verb returns to a pair of speakers in the live room and mic that with a pair of monis, return to where you would normally return the verb and go....

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Re: I hate all the reverb plugs or hardware I have ever hear

Post by Everybody's X » Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:34 pm

I'm really considering the DIY plate project. Or blasting all my drums through a PA and micing the room

[edit} I see joel posted the same time i did {edit}

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Re: I hate all the reverb plugs or hardware I have ever hear

Post by theistheman » Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:07 pm

a buddy of mine built the plate, and he claims it's awesome.

I'd build one, but I don't have room for that kind of crap in my apartment.

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Re: I hate all the reverb plugs or hardware I have ever hear

Post by rolandk » Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:14 pm

Have you heard convolution reverb? I was at a Waves class earlier this week and the IR-1 is sweet! We were listening to 4 second verbs and the tails were nice, I didn't hear any of that digital graininess. They a/b'd with the regular R-Verb and the IR kicked its ass so hard it wasn't even close.
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Re: I hate all the reverb plugs or hardware I have ever hear

Post by Moon Unit » Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:32 pm

The covolution reverbs are about the best thing going.

If used correctly, they're the most viable substitute for an actual room there is. Still not completely ideal, but pretty damn close in certain situations.

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Post by Fieryjack » Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:35 pm

Logic's "space designer" is scary....it had me looking behind my shoulders. It is extremely realistic and models actual environments.

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Re: I hate all the reverb plugs or hardware I have ever hear

Post by segaface » Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:22 pm

Moon Unit wrote:The covolution reverbs are about the best thing going.

If used correctly, they're the most viable substitute for an actual room there is. Still not completely ideal, but pretty damn close in certain situations.
Yeah! Have you guys tried this:

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Re: I hate all the reverb plugs or hardware I have ever hear

Post by angryaudio » Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:49 pm

I'll second Space Designer. I've been using it to create fake rooms for drums tracks, and it's killer. I generally hate most reverbs as well, but this thing really works.

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Re: I hate all the reverb plugs or hardware I have ever hear

Post by altoidboy » Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:08 pm

I'm amused, you don't like any reverb plug-ins but you like the Yamah SPX.

Try Altiverb, it really is quite amazing.

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Re: I hate all the reverb plugs or hardware I have ever hear

Post by Brett Siler » Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:38 pm

What sucks is there aren't any cool plug ins for MACS that are free. Alitiverb is expensive..

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Post by allbaldo » Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:56 pm

Though nearly impossible to find, the Quantec Room Simulator...I forget the model #...was the best sounding fake reverb I've ever heard. You could put it on the whole kit, and it sounded good. There's a couple of useable reverbs in the 480L, and for no good reason, I kinda like the SRV2000...so fake that it's interesting. Other than that. I can't stand 'em.

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Re: I hate all the reverb plugs or hardware I have ever hear

Post by Brett Siler » Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:26 pm

I can make the Digiverb work. but after using the IR-1 I don't want to ever use the Digiverb (unless I am going for and effect). To bad I ain't gots the cash flow to buy it..

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Re: I hate all the reverb plugs or hardware I have ever hear

Post by Ryan Silva » Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:32 pm

altoidboy wrote:I'm amused, you don't like any reverb plug-ins but you like the Yamah SPX.

Try Altiverb, it really is quite amazing.

audioease.com for altiverb
altiverb.daw-mac.com for more room samples

Well if you mean the SPX90 or any other SPX model besides the 900 I could see your confusion. SPX90 $175 SPX900 $1000 Thats the diffrence I hear.

Thanks all, convolution verb next on my list.
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Re: I hate all the reverb plugs or hardware I have ever hear

Post by logancircle » Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:33 pm

Use real reverb! When you track put a mic or two way far from the source, use that as your reverb. Track or Reamp/chamber in a really good sounding room and don't worry about the digital sound. That said, just EQ'ing DVerb can make it sound very passable, not to mention them convolution joints.
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