Re-recording a great (or not so great) album

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Re: Re-recording a great (or not so great) album

Post by cgarges » Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:14 am

NeglectedFred wrote:This may explain some of your Kramer-Anger!
Or maybe it's just the fact that Eddie Kramer is a lucky hack.

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Re: Re-recording a great (or not so great) album

Post by mertmo » Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:48 am

If I had the gear, I would remaster the Cult's "LOVE". What a brilliant record, and even a good mix, but the master sounds like SHIT. No low end whatsoever, and it drives me nuts. I may just do it anyway, "appropriate" gear or not...

And I would pay real money to be able to redo Soundgarden's "BADMOTORFINGER". No offense to Terry Date, and I'm not sure he even did any engineering on it, but UGHH! It's so awful. The worst drum sound this side of the Foo Fighters most recent record.

How about redoing Big Head Todd's first record without the laughably absurd gated reverb on all the snare tracks...?

I agree with Physical Graffiti... great music, but the recording leaves me feeling cheated, since it came after Houses of the Holy which IMO is their best sounding record. I know a lot of the tracks were around from way before Houses, though.

Anyone here actually recorded their own version of somebody else's record?
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Re: Re-recording a great (or not so great) album

Post by SKEETER » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:01 am

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Actually some of the drums were recorded in a small room, from what I know.
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Oh yeah? Thanks! I was thinking it was a large room because of some movie I seen years ago that had documented some of the recording of that album, I always thought they sounded very dead as if it was a small room.
The overall sound of it is very uninteresting though. It sounds very dead and bland, while most of the rock era stuff sounded very live and dynamic,

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Re: Re-recording a great (or not so great) album

Post by tiger vomitt » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:12 am

cgarges wrote:
NeglectedFred wrote:This may explain some of your Kramer-Anger!
Or maybe it's just the fact that Eddie Kramer is a lucky hack.

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that guy recorded some seriously classic stuff. he might be a dick (never met him) but ive always liked his recordings... a lot

physical graffitti, i agree. i always thought that album sounded really weird

All of the Ramones records.
the first ramones album is the coolest sounding thing ever!

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Re: Re-recording a great (or not so great) album

Post by NeglectedFred » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:21 am

dwlb wrote:btw, not everybody knows Metallica's Black Album. I kinda think Metallica suck. (I say that in the "I don't enjoy their music" sense of the word, not the "I think they are a bad band" sense.)
No, you're right, and they're really not a favorite of mine, but I think this album sounds good, and it's one of the more popular metal albums. In fact, I dare say possibly the most popular of the 90's.

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Post by NeglectedFred » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:28 am

I find it funny how engineers opinions differ so much. Drums that I think absolutely can't be topped are the absolute worst in someone elses opinion. I'm just wondering, is there an album out there that the majority of us can agree sounds good? Maybe not "thee best", but pretty damn good?

Would Pink Floyd's 'Dark Side of the Moon' be a good candidate for an agreeable over-all good aound?

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Re: Re-recording a great (or not so great) album

Post by BJohnston » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:28 am

I agree whole heartedly on the last Foo Fighters record. The drums were complete rubbish. And that's after the whole record was rerecording from top to bottom.... Oh yeah and Metallica died after '86.

I personally would like to redo
Samiam-Billy
Catherine Wheel-Ferment
Any early Misfits stuff
Bad Brains- I Against I
Superdrag- Headtrip...
Sugar-Copper Blue
Weston-Teenage Rebellion

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Post by MD » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:30 am

MERTMO2 wrote:How about redoing Big Head Todd's first record without the laughably absurd gated reverb on all the snare tracks...?
Same with Stevie Ray Vaughn.

Really undated music and musicianship with really dated drums. Boo.

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    Post by mertmo » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:42 am

    Same with Stevie Ray Vaughn.
    Yeah, I'd have to agree with that, too. Bummer.
    Catherine Wheel-Ferment
    Amen! Too much reverb. (did I just say that in regards to a catherine wheel record...? ...yep. I did.)
    Adam and Eve, however.... BRILLIANT!

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    Post by SKEETER » Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:19 am

    Dark side of the Moon is fabulous no matter what instrument you pick out of it. It is probably the greatest fete in studio engineering ever accomplished, mostly considering the euqipment it was done on (which was state of the art then, but would now be considered archaic and cumbersome). The percussion in general, not just the drums, is amazing. Great depth.
    Also, The Tommy album by the Who (the original album not all of that movie soundtrack garbage that followed it) has some pretty fantastic recording techniques with percussion. The larger orchestral drums in some of it is pretty astounding in a set of headphones. Couple that with the fact it is a peice of musical genius and has some of the best sounding acoustic guitars ever, and it rates.

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    Post by bobbydj » Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:21 am

    tiger vomitt wrote:
    All of the Ramones records.
    the first ramones album is the coolest sounding thing ever!
    Honestly - the 2nd is totally underrated, songs and production wise, imo. Yeah, admitedly, it is kind of shinier than the first. And yeah, I know - wtrf. As if gloss is a thing to bring to the mix with the brudders.

    After the primer grey wreck-yard V8 glass-pack muffler'd monster of the first, the second is sort of glittery, sparkle finish. But bugger - it suits them, I swear. And I really don't think any of the edge is lost.
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    Re: Re-recording a great (or not so great) album

    Post by Snarky » Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:30 am

    I would take that HPF off the whole Black Sabbath "Master of Ravioli" record.
    Forget the "black Album" , that shit was horrible. There was a million better metal CD's in the 90's. I'd go turn up the sweet basslines in master of puppets or the first two. You can't turn up the bass in "and justice for all" because that track is not even there.
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    Post by campironwood » Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:01 pm

    anyone want to re-record built to spill's perfect from now on?

    seriously?

    ha...

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    Re: Re-recording a great (or not so great) album

    Post by cgarges » Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:01 pm

    tiger vomitt wrote:that guy recorded some seriously classic stuff. he might be a dick (never met him) but ive always liked his recordings... a lot
    I agree and I like those albums a lot, but not for anything that involved his work. Those albums were great ENTIRELY because of the people that played on them. I think compared to other rock stuff being recorded at the time, his records fall short from a technical standpoint. That doesn't make the albums less-than-great, but it does make his engineering less-than-great. He sure thinks a lot of his contributions, though.

    But that's just my opinion. Except for him thinking a lot of his contirbutions.

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    Post by Winslow Leech » Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:13 pm

    I would like to re-do

    Michael Penn - March. It has good songs killed by late eighties home studio production

    Prince - Purple Rain. Same thing but big studio lameness

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