Re-recording a great (or not so great) album

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Re: Re-recording a great (or not so great) album

Post by JohnDavisNYC » Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:44 am

i want to try and remake OK Computer. That would be fun. that or 'Oar' by skip spence.

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Post by coniferouspine » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:25 pm

I think it'd be interesting to go back in the time machine and get Neil Young to re-cut Trans with a more traditional NY style and instrumentation...and when he first brought in the demos of the songs, I'd be like, "these are good songs, but write another fifteen more and then we'll talk about whittling the 30 songs down to ten." Not just engineering, those records needed some serious work to get them above sub-par.
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Post by djdrake13 » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:30 pm

The Wall, any of Notorious B.I.G.'s tracks, and Britney, just so I could get her in the studio and make something fuckin cool with her. "She's not bad, just drawn that way."
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Post by pwrb » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:44 pm

I don't think it really needs to be re-recorded (oh, wait, it can't be...), but Johnny Cash's last one "The Man Comes Around" would be a lot cooler in my book if the vocals had not been cleaned up so damn much. I mean, the guy's dying. There's not a breath or mouth noise to be heard anywhere; just this fragile, disembodied voice that apparently doesn't require oxygen. Very annoying.

Oh, and it might be nice if a couple of the covers were nixed.

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Post by djdrake13 » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:45 pm

pwrb wrote:I don't think it really needs to be re-recorded (oh, wait, it can't be...), but Johnny Cash's last one "The Man Comes Around" would be a lot cooler in my book if the vocals had not been cleaned up so damn much. I mean, the guy's dying. There's not a breath or mouth noise to be heard anywhere; just this fragile, disembodied voice that apparently doesn't require oxygen. Very annoying.

Oh, and it might be nice if a couple of the covers were nixed.

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I do love his version of "Hurt" I think its from that album
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Post by takeout » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:46 pm

MoreSpaceEcho wrote:that rings the vaguest of bells in what passes for my memory. but he was trying to recreate the whole thing, right? no way he had access to the actual tapes?????
Re-recorded the whole thing, from scratch, with only the finished album as a reference.

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Post by pwrb » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:51 pm

I do love his version of "Hurt" I think its from that album
Yeah, I do too. I was thinking more along the lines of "In My Life" or "Bridge Over Troubled Water". A little melodramatic and kind of exploitative in an overly obvious way...

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Post by BrianK » Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:44 pm

I think the trouble with almnost all Ramones albums (there IS quite a range of sounds and styles on there) is the mixing. We had the master tapes to most of them, as I mixed many of the outtakes found on the reissue CDs that just came out. However, the "rules of the game" are to make things sound like the original, not fix it up and make it better. Fair enough.

So - we'd get a song that was unreleased and mix it, then we'd A/B it to the original album and have to thin out the guitars and drums, some BIG changes to make it sound worse, in my opinion. So, the potential is there just to take the trakcs as they were cut and EQ and fit them to sound much as you'd hope. And later on, you'd have to add tons of gated verb and stuff to match the 80's records.

I think the real suprise was how little the Ramones themselves were on those records...
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Re: Re-recording a great (or not so great) album

Post by MoreSpaceEcho » Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:58 pm

takeout wrote:
MoreSpaceEcho wrote:that rings the vaguest of bells in what passes for my memory. but he was trying to recreate the whole thing, right? no way he had access to the actual tapes?????
Re-recorded the whole thing, from scratch, with only the finished album as a reference.
jeez. i'd like to have that guy's free time.

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Post by Stephen » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:20 pm

johnny7 wrote:Early Buzzcocks. Is it Lipstick that is so bright that I bleed everytime I hear it? Don't get me wrong I love the band,song,performance etc

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Post by Stephen » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:23 pm

djdrake13 wrote:The Wall, ."
Ditch those hideous Roger Waters acoustic songs and make one decent single album out of it.
Then do the same thing with The White Album...
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Post by Stephen » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:26 pm

I just wish someone would do a decent mastering job on Birds of Fire by The Mahavishnu Orchestra. The CD is horrendous.
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Post by Rick Hunter » Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:36 pm

I want to rerecord all the white stripes albums and use protools and auto tune and beat detective. Then I want to throw a giant turd at Meg White.

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Post by cgarges » Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:38 pm

Rick Hunter wrote:I want to rerecord all the white stripes albums and use protools and auto tune and beat detective.
I think for once that would be an extraordinarily appropriate use of Auto Tune, Beat Detective, and Sound Replacer.

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Post by JGriffin » Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:30 pm

cgarges wrote:
Rick Hunter wrote:I want to rerecord all the white stripes albums and use protools and auto tune and beat detective.
I think for once that would be an extraordinarily appropriate use of Auto Tune, Beat Detective, and Sound Replacer.

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