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Re: diy mics - big fun for all!

Post by wenzel.hellgren » Mon Jul 28, 2003 4:52 pm

What about this circut?

http://members.chello.nl/krabmoer/index.html

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Post by wenzel.hellgren » Mon Jul 28, 2003 4:55 pm

heres some more info on powering electrets :

http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/circ ... ering.html

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Post by leigh » Mon Jul 28, 2003 6:16 pm

hellgren wrote:What about this circut?

http://members.chello.nl/krabmoer/index.html
This is very similar to the original Tape Op circuit, although I'm not sure what capsule is being used here. The schematic shows 3 wires from the capsule. If I'm reading it correctly, the circuit is dropping the phantom power voltage from 48V to about 1V across the capsule, by using the 100k resistor and the capsule in tandem as a simple voltage divider. (My guess assumes a capsule impedance of about 2K). It's a bit lightweight for dependable use, however, as phantom power can vary from 24V to 48V. I'd prefer a circuit with a zener diode, to drop the voltage to a predicable level - see the aforementioned Hicks circuit I'm always talking about in this thread.

Anyhow...

I still don't know quite how to adopt the Hicks circuit (aka Schoeps style aka Scott Dorsey style) for a Linkwitz-modified Panasonic capsule. If you don't know what I'm talking about, refer to the earlier links in this thread. My previously posted schematic is probably wrong.

I am trying to get my head around what's different/better about the modified capsule. It relates to the way the built-in FET is used. The clearest explanation I've found, from the Mic DIYer's list, comes from Bob Cain. The mod makes the FET run as a source follower, and
The source follower linearizes the amplifier by including
the load in a feedback loop with the gate circuit. The
feedback loop gain is proportional to the transconductance
of the FET...
Confused yet? It gets better. For the Hicks/Dorsey/Schoeps circuit, you need both a positive and a negative signal (each side gets sent to one of the output transistors) which means the FET also needs to act as a "phase splitter".

Can one FET both run as a source follower, to linearize the amplifier, and also run as a phase splitter? Or should the capsule's internal FET run as a source follower, with a second, external FET doing the phase splitting?

Despite consulting Horowitz and Hill, I'm still quite in the dark.

This thread is not quite living up to its name, is it....the big fun part is still far away. I started this discussion b/c I needed help with this circuit design. I still do.

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Post by leigh » Mon Jul 28, 2003 6:26 pm

For those of you who were not killed off by the confusion of the previous post, here are two R.A.P. postings found by searching for the strings "source follower" and "phase splitter".

Both posts are by David Josephson of Josephson Engineering.

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Post by leigh » Wed Sep 03, 2003 11:29 am

There's a new schematic of a Hicks/Dorsey/Schoeps style circuit, but for the Linkwitz-modified capsules, up at the MicDIYers board. Look for the thread titled "balanced output from Linkwitz mod". If you're not already signed up as a member of the MicDIY board, I don't know if you can jump straight to the message.

This schematic was posted by Edu Silva of ES2 Audio. It produces a balanced but non-symmetrical output, sometimes called 'pseudo-balanced'. What this means is that, on an XLR output, you've got the same impedance between pin 2 and ground as between pin 3 and ground. This allows you to benefit from the noise-cancelling inherent in most mic inputs' differential amps. However, unlike a true balanced signal, which would have the + signal on pin 2 and the - signal on pin 3, there's only audio signal on pin 2.

Check the follow-up messages in the MicDIYers thread for details about setting the value for the resistor labeled only "RS" in the schematic.

If/when I build this design, I'll be happy to post the actual schematic here. However, I don't want to throw something out here, untested, and have people blindly build it. For now, you'll have to do your own homework over at the MicDIYers board.

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Post by jeray » Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:22 pm

Maybe i can help. I have a machine shop at my house (lathe, mill, sheetmetal equipment). Maybe i can make some parts for your mic project if needed. No cost, just for fun.

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Post by evan » Thu Sep 04, 2003 11:25 pm

This isn't relevant to the issues at hand, but it is about DIY mics:

http://mp3forkidz.com/mic/

Pretty nice-sounding, if you ask me.

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Post by leigh » Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:11 am

Evan,

Thanks for the link. Those are some works of art.

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Post by leigh » Mon Sep 29, 2003 7:44 pm

Some new links to homemade mic housings. These aren't ideal for the omni capsule project, they're for crystal element mics, but the housings look great:

http://home.houston.rr.com/w5tom/Mic%20Pix.htm

http://home.houston.rr.com/w5tom/Of%20M ... %20Men.htm

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Post by heylow » Mon Sep 29, 2003 9:16 pm

Man, you guys! This is a great thread....I wish I could help out but you guys have already lost me technically.

I WILL be waiting to see how this stuff turns out though!


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Post by dayvel » Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:07 am

Hi! I'm the guy responsible for those fine looking mics at the mp3forkidz link mentioned above. I'm currently working an xy set-up using a pair of the Horn cardioids from digi-key (the Panasonic directional capsules just don't have enough low end.) I'm using them in the phase-splitter configuration feeding the back end of Scott Dorsey's mic mod for phantom powering. I'll get back to you after the UPS guy brings the transistors.
One thing you may find interesting is that a properly bent paper clip serves as a good mount for cardioid capsules and makes a surprisingly good contact for grounding the mic case, which comes in real handy for the Linkwitz and phase splitter mods.

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Post by Scodiddly » Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:48 am

First off, many many thanks for this thread... I wouldn't have quite connected the dots from just the Prosoundweb reprint from TapeOp.

I'm currently playing with this stuff on breadboard... actually got it to work last night, phantom power and all. Been a long time since I built anything. :roll: I'm going to do the 1/4" pipe thing, of course. I got a couple of the smallest aluminum Bud boxes, which should just fit the circuitry and XLR.

However, check this out: http://store.electrogalaxy.com/vanvs41.html

I originally got one of these from a local photo store for under $4. As a camera tripod it's pretty cool, but it's also a handy source for three pieces of ~1/4" dia. gooseneck, with enough hollow space to run thin wires inside. In other words, absolutely perfect for making clip-on instrument mics. :D

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Post by Scodiddly » Wed Dec 10, 2003 3:25 pm

Hrmmm.

Well, that was a little *too* easy... guess my 'leet DIY skills haven't totally atrophied yet. I made two mics with the phantom power circuit, with 1/4" aluminum tubing (next time brass so I can solder a ground/shield wire?) into the smalled diecast aluminum box available (~1x1x3"). I used a lamp "nipple", which is tubing threaded on the outside and (conveniently!) slightly bigger than 1/4" inside diameter to attach the 1/4" tubing to the box. An XLR lives in the opposite end, and the perfboard with components is stuffed into the middle. I ended up with some huge 1u0 capacitors, but luckily it all just barely fit.

And it only took a box from Digi-key, two visits to the hardware store, one visit each to Radio Shack and the real electronics parts store, and a few bits I already had. Now the fun really begins; I also bought a couple of the above-mentioned Horn unidirectional capsules to play with, and of course I've got a few omni capsules left. Perhaps a 2-channel power supply and a few different capsules on thin wires or something.

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Post by Scodiddly » Wed Dec 10, 2003 3:27 pm

Oh yeah... I tried to do that Linkwitz mod on one of the capsules. Cutting the trace was easy... but I couldn't manage to solder a wire onto the case for the third wire.

Anybody manage to do that mod?

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