The Hubris! Bush must go. Yesterday.

[jamoo]

Anyone hear the new one from the administration, suspending the election?

Politeness is over. Let the truth wail.

It's so bad you have to ask youself if he's really even the president.

Plus we have the current rush to write discrimination into the Constitution. Even if you're opposed to homosexual unions (I'm not), you don't even pretend to write discrimination into the Constitution. Even the nation's founders weren't stupid enough to codify slavery into the document, even though it was commonly supported.

Fuck that guy all to hell. Really.

[firgela]

I just read the story this morning.
A conversation with a friend about a two years ago - Doug said, 'You know they're going to find a way to postpone the election...'
Though it was in the back of my mind I'd hoped they wouldn't actually
consider it.

It sounds as if our own government is planning to "disrupt the Democratic process" as well as any terrorist organization would. And besides how are we to trust any intelligence this administration has to offer us?

[bedbug]

Yeah, I saw that yesterday. It's completely fucked up. Ya know, elections are kinda like ... a crucial aspect of democracies, and this is the 2nd one these guys are making a complete joke out of.

Semi-related note, I saw a recent Bush speech on TV ... it was standup comedy!!! And poor standup comedy at that. He was saying something about how liberal the Kerry/Edwards ticket was (is it?) and then he goes "that's what they call balancing the ticket." But it was just joke after joke. All he needed was a drummer in a tux behind him going ba-dump-tss.

Here's another of my favorite recent quotes from Bush. "The president must speak clearly and mean what he says?" OMFG! WTF? How many of those Bushims books are out? Isn't this the man who said "nuc-yoo-lar" about a million times on television. The most messed up thing was people were cheering after he said that.

Anyway ... not to hijack. This election stuff is pretty scary shit. I guess people can't vote against him if they don't know when the election is. Ugh. He's gotta go down.

[Mark67]

Fill me in--I can't turn anything up on Google about suspended elections...whauzzuh huzzuh wha?

[DUC]

Bush must be detroyed, but I'm also afraid of socialists... they are basically the same as fascists. This world is either going to two extremes. Right now it's fascism.

[Mr. Dipity]

Fill me in--I can't turn anything up on Google about suspended elections...whauzzuh huzzuh wha?

Yes. Links please?

[krylenko]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/ ... index.html

did anyone actually think about this? let's see, in the event of a terrorist attack on/around election day, which would you rather:

1) the election proceeding in the midst of total chaos with very few people paying attention. even lower voter turnout than normal because people are scared or trying to find their loved ones. all the workers who would normally be holding the election busy responding to the attack.

or

2) the election suspended until it can be held with a relative degree of normalcy and people can actually make it to the polls.

there are potentially major problems with a suspension, no doubt. but think about Florida in 2000 and ask yourself which of the above scenarios allows more room for fraud and deception. for my money, it's #1.

of course, once the election was suspended the administration could try to make excuses for a long time. hopefully, though, people would be a little less distracted than in the immediate aftermath of a terrorist attack.

the reason everyone cites the Madrid attack is that Spain's elections were still held and probably produced a different result than without an attack.
changing votes to their purposes would constitute giving terrorists a victory; postponing an election so that won't happen is anything but.

[Mark67]

In terms of a security situation there will be a high level of alert. Planning anything large scale is extraordinarily difficult in the post-9/11 world. Should something succeed, however, I would favor either method (as planned or postponement ).

The reason is I am not sure which result terrorists would "favor:" Bush or Kerry. You could make a good case that either outcome works for them. So I would lean toward whatever demonstrated the most courage and the least fear: that would be the last reaction they'd want.

[andrew embassy]

Bush must be detroyed, but I'm also afraid of socialists... they are basically the same as fascists. This world is either going to two extremes. Right now it's fascism.

Socialists = Fascists? This is new to me. So Sweden is essenitally a Fascist state?

[jca83]

i agree with krylenko. it seems shady, but if there's worry and maybe even evidence about an attack -- which i heard al-qaeda's planning something -- it'd be best to have a secure nation, where we can actually vote.

i'd watch the conventions - i expect trouble there...

i just had an interesting thought. if bush is ousted, imagine what kinda stuff will go down during his lame duck months

[TrumpsHair]

The thing is most incidious is what will be the October Surprise. The Bush Adminsitration has been putting pressure on Pakistan to find or capture a high value target (hopefully Osama) in the last days of July, (to steal attention from the Democratic Convention) 4 high-level Pakistanis have come forward to complain about the undue pressure. I hate Bush. I'm thinking about seeing Farenheit 911 today, but I don't think I could stand to see his face for that long. Especially not on a big screen. I agree with the Europeans, who say. "A.B.B. Anybody but Bush."

[DUC]

Bush must be detroyed, but I'm also afraid of socialists... they are basically the same as fascists. This world is either going to two extremes. Right now it's fascism.

Socialists = Fascists? This is new to me. So Sweden is essenitally a Fascist state?

What is the difference when the government takes control and dictates the conduct of its citizens? Socialism basically takes property away and gives it to the elite government. Fascism does much of the same, through government controlled corporations. In the end, the elite rules.

What works is small democracies, however democracies never last. Much like all forms of human government, it's easily corruptable because we are all selfish and ego-centered.

Sweden's socialism is much like America's fascism. It's not full blown and extreme. Not yet, at least.

[aurelialuz]

it makes no real sense though. if "terrorists" are going to hit us on around an election, why wouldn't they just suspend their attack to the same time the election is suspended to? i mean, really now...what am i missing here?

[Mark67]

it makes no real sense though. if "terrorists" are going to hit us on around an election, why wouldn't they just suspend their attack to the same time the election is suspended to? i mean, really now...

The suspension would occur if an event took place or was specifically found to be planned.

As to postponing the terrorism, that is a possibility, but a bit remote, because of all the logistics involved. You can't just call up your fellow conspirator and say "Hey let's do this thing next Thursday, OK?" If it's a coordinated attack, they are working with tight schedules and limited ability to communicate without detection.