Conservative Punk

comfortstarr · Post by **comfortstarr** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:59 am

http://www.conservativepunk.com

Sweet lord...

These folks are duped morons of the very highest order. I love the vaguely Reich-esque font they use for their logo.

What kind of parents do conservative punks come from?

concubine · Post by **concubine** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:24 am

remember this thread?
http://messageboard.tapeop.com/viewtopi ... ative+punk

yeah, i agree. utterly fucking baffling. i think some extreme brand of bitterness is key here.

ottokbre · Post by **ottokbre** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:25 am

comfortstarr wrote:http://www.conservativepunk.com

Sweet lord...

These folks are duped morons of the very highest order. I love the vaguely Reich-esque font they use for their logo.

What kind of parents do conservative punks come from?

umm..... notice who has been trolling their message boards?

concubine · Post by **concubine** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:33 am

cap'n otto wrote:
comfortstarr wrote:http://www.conservativepunk.com

Sweet lord...

These folks are duped morons of the very highest order. I love the vaguely Reich-esque font they use for their logo.

What kind of parents do conservative punks come from?
umm..... notice who has been trolling their message boards?

funny you mention that. i took a gander at a few threads, and sure enough, there were some posters with decidedly non-republican view-points in there, legitemately stirring up the feces. i even saw a poster by the name of ottokbre. could that be "our" ottokbre?

ottokbre · Post by **ottokbre** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:49 am

concubine wrote: i even saw a poster by the name of ottokbre. could that be "our" ottokbre?

dirty · Post by **dirty** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 2:20 pm

Isn't this phenomenon hilarious? Everyone knows Johnny was the lame Ramone, don't they?

Almost as bad as the NYT's story last year about campus "Hipublicans".

ottokbre · Post by **ottokbre** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:16 pm

some of the great statments on this board;

Seeing as how every single man in the United States has to deal with the fallout from feminism, I hardly consider the topic narrow. From the increasing number of little boys drugged up on Ritalin so they'll sit still and learn like little girls, to the health issues that affect us later in life, you can rest assured that the negative effects of feminism are real and need to be addressed.

i whole heartedly open that message board to relentless trolling!

xSALx · Post by **xSALx** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:52 pm

Two words about consevative posers. Fucking idiots. Most backward knowledge ever. To be punk is to be progressive, and that's rebelious because no many are progressive. Therefore the punks are few. Now if you think you're rebelling against a small system by contradicting its beliefs, in reality you are siding with the larger populous. Goddamn posers. I'm really pissy when the topic of posers comes up.

wing · Post by **wing** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:17 pm

people can't enjoy a type of music yet share a different belief system that is 1) different from yours, 2) different from the norm of the group they are associated with, and 3) what they might happen to believe in for their own personal reasons from their own background?

i'm not republican or democrat, i'm not on either sides, but sometimes i get tired of people acting so elitist to say that in order to associate with this style or with that music, that one must conform to a belief system that is common to it, or conform to a belief system that is in accordance to you. or as long as it's not conservative.

so what if they're conservative? i don't think it would give me a right to call them idiots and assholes just because they might appreciate a certain music and style, all on the grounds that their belief system differs from mine. isn't that what america is about, anyway? i thought so.

helstab · Post by **helstab** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:20 pm

go take over that board with Pro-Kerry shiznat! I am.. and I hope to see you there.

*marches off while maddly pumping fists in the air*

comfortstarr · Post by **comfortstarr** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 6:02 am

wing wrote:people can't enjoy a type of music yet share a different belief system that is 1) different from yours, 2) different from the norm of the group they are associated with, and 3) what they might happen to believe in for their own personal reasons from their own background?

i'm not republican or democrat, i'm not on either sides, but sometimes i get tired of people acting so elitist to say that in order to associate with this style or with that music, that one must conform to a belief system that is common to it, or conform to a belief system that is in accordance to you. or as long as it's not conservative.

so what if they're conservative? i don't think it would give me a right to call them idiots and assholes just because they might appreciate a certain music and style, all on the grounds that their belief system differs from mine. isn't that what america is about, anyway? i thought so.

I think the problem is their appropriation of "punk" aesthetics and supposed attitude. While you could say, a true punk would say there no ?punk? aesthetics?and I might have trouble arguing against you. However, I opt for a more Joe Strummer-ian (!?!?) view of ?what is punk?? By that view? these folks are not punks.

Why don?t they just refer to themselves as ?Conservatives who like fast and loud music.? Then I would agree with you, to each her/his own. In this case though, it?s sort of like ?Freedom Riders for Segregation.?

wing · Post by **wing** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:57 am

comfortstarr wrote:
wing wrote:people can't enjoy a type of music yet share a different belief system that is 1) different from yours, 2) different from the norm of the group they are associated with, and 3) what they might happen to believe in for their own personal reasons from their own background?

i'm not republican or democrat, i'm not on either sides, but sometimes i get tired of people acting so elitist to say that in order to associate with this style or with that music, that one must conform to a belief system that is common to it, or conform to a belief system that is in accordance to you. or as long as it's not conservative.

so what if they're conservative? i don't think it would give me a right to call them idiots and assholes just because they might appreciate a certain music and style, all on the grounds that their belief system differs from mine. isn't that what america is about, anyway? i thought so.
I think the problem is their appropriation of "punk" aesthetics and supposed attitude. While you could say, a true punk would say there no ?punk? aesthetics?and I might have trouble arguing against you. However, I opt for a more Joe Strummer-ian (!?!?) view of ?what is punk?? By that view? these folks are not punks.

Why don?t they just refer to themselves as ?Conservatives who like fast and loud music.? Then I would agree with you, to each her/his own. In this case though, it?s sort of like ?Freedom Riders for Segregation.?

I must have missed when Punks all got together in the early days and had a meeting deciding which political view they will take as a community of Punks, and stick to it.

To me, Punk is a music form, as well as a social statement. Early lyrics had a lot to do with politics and society. Why can't those lyrics be from a Conservative view? Why can't they be pissed off about the Liberal system? Why can't they be pissed off at the way things have been going and changing? They can't be pissed off about higher taxes, poor healthcare system stuff, and the way they may be personally affected by the choices of the liberal/democrats in congress?

That's my point: nowhere did I ever see that Punks rallied together and said "Hey, we're all going to be liberal, or socialist, or communist, or anarchist: anything but conservative, because we as Punks believe you should only fight and stand up to the conservative right system, and those who share that side of beliefs should have no reason or right to sing about and fight the things that affect them like we do. We decide who and who isn't punk, and they are not allowed to be."

phalex · Post by **phalex** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:38 am

Punk is about making new stuff, compared to all the old boring music. That is the exact opposite of conservative. Conservative is about perserving what we have right now and not changing. But then again Punk hasn't really changed for 20 years, it could be the most conservative music out there.

trodden · Post by **trodden** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:42 am

concubine wrote:remember this thread?
http://messageboard.tapeop.com/viewtopi ... ative+punk

yeah, i agree. utterly fucking baffling. i think some extreme brand of bitterness is key here.

Hey Wing, UTFSF, didn't we discuss this in the thread above...

comfortstarr · Post by **comfortstarr** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:45 am

wing wrote:To me, Punk is a music form, as well as a social statement. Early lyrics had a lot to do with politics and society. Why can't those lyrics be from a Conservative view? Why can't they be pissed off about the Liberal system? Why can't they be pissed off at the way things have been going and changing? They can't be pissed off about higher taxes, poor healthcare system stuff, and the way they may be personally affected by the choices of the liberal/democrats in congress?

Did you go to the site? They're the ones who've labeled themselves "Conservative Punks." They're the ones eschewing issues for partisan rhetoric.

I suppose what you say is true if you believe that typical Republican (note: NOT typical conservative) approaches to helping working class and non-working class America work. In that case you could very well be a punk republican. Punk was born (at least I'd say mostly) as a response to a shitty economic situation.

Again... I see this a Jews for Jesus or Log Cabin Republican kind of thing. It just makes me go, "Huh? What the...?"

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