which mic to buy for kick drum / shure beta 52 or AKG D 112?
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which mic to buy for kick drum / shure beta 52 or AKG D 112?
which should i get? pros? cons? will be used primarily for kick drum... maybe some bass guitar too...
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Get the Sennheiser e602, you won't be sorry. Getting kick drum sounds I'm happy with has become so much easier since getting this mic. It sounds "modern" (read: scooped) similar to a D112 and Beta 52, but has it's own thing going on. Nice extended low end with a crisp/clear top. The Beta 52 never gave me anything I was happy with, with an unpleasant midrange honk. The D112 is better and easier to work with, but mine just lives on the floor tom now which is where I think that mic excels. Just my personal experience, YMMV.
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I bought a Beta 52 on sale at a music store that was going out of business. They had run out of the AKG D112. So I bought the Beta 52. Yeah. To this day, I wish they hadn't run out of the AKGs. I mean, the Beta 52 is okay, but I'm never really "excited" about the kick sounds I get with it.
Buying a D112 is still on my list.
Buying a D112 is still on my list.
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I much prefer an RE-20 or AKG D-12e to either the Beta 52 or the D-112... to me they will always be 'live sound' mics... preset EQ curve that gets rid of any midrange tone the drum might have had, and is easy for a deaf sound guy at any club to get a loud boomy sound with tons of click (that he can't hear anyway)...
whatever, they are fine mics, I just think that there are way better options in the studio and that those mics are better suited to a situation like live sound where you can't necessarily rely on the desk EQ to shape the drum right, and having a generic scoopy kick sound is ok.
as for modern bass drum mics, the e602 is awesome. it does the punchy/scoopy thing way better, I think, and has better transient detail and power to the sound without getting all 'bouncing basketball' on the beater sound.
whatever... I like midrange alot, and I like to decide if and how much should be scooped out and where.... so my feelings on bass drum mics should be taken with a grain of salt.
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whatever, they are fine mics, I just think that there are way better options in the studio and that those mics are better suited to a situation like live sound where you can't necessarily rely on the desk EQ to shape the drum right, and having a generic scoopy kick sound is ok.
as for modern bass drum mics, the e602 is awesome. it does the punchy/scoopy thing way better, I think, and has better transient detail and power to the sound without getting all 'bouncing basketball' on the beater sound.
whatever... I like midrange alot, and I like to decide if and how much should be scooped out and where.... so my feelings on bass drum mics should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Me, too, which is why my fav Kick Drum mic is the Audio Technica 4047sv. I then carve to taste.toaster3000 wrote: whatever... I like midrange alot, and I like to decide if and how much should be scooped out and where.... so my feelings on bass drum mics should be taken with a grain of salt.
john
I have an AKG D112 and I agree with the live drum mic assessment. However, this question came up the other day on another forum the response that grabbed my attention said that the D112 was perfect for kick drum when the kick drum is tuned properly. The guy had Ringo's old kit (model, not his actualy kit) and his pop recording's kick drum sound was really nice. D112. So it does work.
I think that kick drum should be more individual instrument dependent. With that said, I also hear great things about the Beyer-dynamic kick mic.
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i don't mean to hijack this thread, but i'm trying to find a good kick drum mic right now too... and i'm debating between an SM7 (or maybe the PR40) and D12. opinions anyone? I'm imagining the SM7 and PR40 would be more versatile, which would be nice, but i'm most concerned about acquiring a good kick mic. One with boom! none of this clicky nonsense.
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I used both d112 and beta 52 for many many years.. just got an older version of the e602 from all the recommendations on this board and i like it, but i'm still figuring the thing out having to "relearn" some techniques that just became "standard practice" when working with the other two mics.. Its quite easy to make the kik TOO big now! which was always a problem with me in the first place.
but yeah, before the e602 showed up in my life. it was a beta 52 or d112 in the drum and a AT4047 in a tunnel out in front of the kick. now the e602 is getting used inside.
this is for "rock" and "metal" type stuff.
re20 and 421 get used when not going for the "modern" or doesn't have to cut through 6 guitar tracks turned up to 11.
but yeah, before the e602 showed up in my life. it was a beta 52 or d112 in the drum and a AT4047 in a tunnel out in front of the kick. now the e602 is getting used inside.
this is for "rock" and "metal" type stuff.
re20 and 421 get used when not going for the "modern" or doesn't have to cut through 6 guitar tracks turned up to 11.
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