Mastering Question: Moving PQ codes to work in the negatives
Mastering Question: Moving PQ codes to work in the negatives
Hey everyone,
You know how on certain cd's (that you buy) some audio info plays in between tracks, for instance it isn't a part of track 2 or of track 3 but rather in that negative space before track 3 starts. i heard that moving around the PQ codes is the way to achieve this because you have audio on the cd that is not identified as its own track on the CD.
I always thought this effect was very entertaining when listening to an album. Also i love when there is actually a hidden track before the first song starts that can only be heard if you rewind the cd before the first assigned track by the PQ code.
What type of programs allow you to move the PQ codes around? Can i make hidden tracks on the albums i'm recording from home?
Thanks guys and girls.
You know how on certain cd's (that you buy) some audio info plays in between tracks, for instance it isn't a part of track 2 or of track 3 but rather in that negative space before track 3 starts. i heard that moving around the PQ codes is the way to achieve this because you have audio on the cd that is not identified as its own track on the CD.
I always thought this effect was very entertaining when listening to an album. Also i love when there is actually a hidden track before the first song starts that can only be heard if you rewind the cd before the first assigned track by the PQ code.
What type of programs allow you to move the PQ codes around? Can i make hidden tracks on the albums i'm recording from home?
Thanks guys and girls.
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Wrong Forum- This should be in the computer section. But to answer, I use CD Architect (PC only) to do my PQ code wackiness. It's nice to make CDs of live shows such that as you listen to them, them play like the show went down. But if you rip them to iTunes, all of the between-song silence and stage chatter doesn't get ripped, just the info that was defined as the song file by the codes.
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I use CD Architect, too (an older version, and I don't know if newer ones support CD+Text)... And Jam (with Toast) can do it, IIRC.
In my experience, when ripping a CD to iTunes, the negative-count bits (technically the index 0 of the following track) gets attached to the end of the prior track, not excluded. Unless there is a preference setting I'm not aware of.
In my experience, when ripping a CD to iTunes, the negative-count bits (technically the index 0 of the following track) gets attached to the end of the prior track, not excluded. Unless there is a preference setting I'm not aware of.
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That countdown area before a song is called the Index 0 section. Then the track starts at Index 1.
In the PQ codes there are Start of Track markers and End of Track markers. If the End marker for one track and the Start marker for the next are placed at the same point on the timeline, there is no count-down. If there is a space between the End marker, and the next Start marker, that's where the count-down happens...in between tracks.
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In the PQ codes there are Start of Track markers and End of Track markers. If the End marker for one track and the Start marker for the next are placed at the same point on the timeline, there is no count-down. If there is a space between the End marker, and the next Start marker, that's where the count-down happens...in between tracks.
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If you use CUE sheet burning, then it's just a text file edit. Here's a cue sheet for a three-track disc:
But if you wanted track 2 to be "hidden" (i.e. not reflected in the disc track count) and to countdown in reverse in the space before track 2:
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FILE "master.wav" WAVE
TRACK 01 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
INDEX 01 02:13:12
TRACK 03 AUDIO
INDEX 01 06:56:33
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FILE "master.wav" WAVE
TRACK 01 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
INDEX 00 02:13:12
INDEX 01 06:56:33
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And if you want to be really tricky, put audio at index 0 of track 1. Then the only way you can hear it is to start the disc and then scan backwards through the first track. There are a couple of commercial discs out there like this. The ones I know about are Factory Showroom by They Might Be Giants and Losing Streak by Less Than Jake, although apparently there are a few more out there.
However, a lot of cd burners will reject a cue sheet with a track 1 0 index of longer than 2 seconds. And, I think some pressing plants won't do them.
However, a lot of cd burners will reject a cue sheet with a track 1 0 index of longer than 2 seconds. And, I think some pressing plants won't do them.
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