Wall O' Guitars On An Eight Track

Recording Techniques, People Skills, Gear, Recording Spaces, Computers, and DIY

Moderators: drumsound, tomb

Post Reply
Mark
tinnitus
Posts: 1231
Joined: Fri May 30, 2003 12:50 pm
Location: Leicester, Uk
Contact:

Wall O' Guitars On An Eight Track

Post by Mark » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:15 am

I can't decide whether to do two groups of four in mono or one group of four (plus mults) in stereo.

Nore: Any suggestions must take into account that the song will also have two vocal tracks, a keyboard track, a bass track and a stereo pair of drum tracks.

So... fire away :D

User avatar
vvv
zen recordist
Posts: 10139
Joined: Tue May 13, 2003 8:08 am
Location: Chi
Contact:

Post by vvv » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:58 am

"one group of four (plus mults) in stereo" should give you more panning options, in that you are placing the guitars within in the stereo field, instead of using two overdubbed mono tracks placing all their guitars either right or left.
bandcamp;
blog.
I mix with olive juice.

Mark
tinnitus
Posts: 1231
Joined: Fri May 30, 2003 12:50 pm
Location: Leicester, Uk
Contact:

Post by Mark » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:48 am

Yeah, that's what I suspected. Think that's the option I'll go for then :D

drumsound
zen recordist
Posts: 7474
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:30 pm
Location: Bloomington IL
Contact:

Post by drumsound » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:38 am

Do you mean 4 guitar parts over 4 tracks and then bounced to stereo on 2 open tracks?

The Scum
moves faders with mind
Posts: 2745
Joined: Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:26 pm
Location: Denver, CO
Contact:

Post by The Scum » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:41 am

Put the basics on tape. 4 tracks for drums, keys, bass, 2 x vox.

Then, have the 4 guitarists come in and play along while you mix the song down.

Then you don't have to worry about track assignments.
"What fer?"
"Cat fur, to make kitten britches."

Mark
tinnitus
Posts: 1231
Joined: Fri May 30, 2003 12:50 pm
Location: Leicester, Uk
Contact:

Post by Mark » Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:12 am

drumsound wrote:Do you mean 4 guitar parts over 4 tracks and then bounced to stereo on 2 open tracks?
Yep. That's exactly what I mean :)

drumsound
zen recordist
Posts: 7474
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:30 pm
Location: Bloomington IL
Contact:

Post by drumsound » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:16 pm

Mark wrote:
drumsound wrote:Do you mean 4 guitar parts over 4 tracks and then bounced to stereo on 2 open tracks?
Yep. That's exactly what I mean :)
Then you have to do it while ther are 6 open tracks. Actually 7, because there should be a track between the 4 mono and the 2 stereo so you don't run into weird ass feedback issues and whatnot.

User avatar
vvv
zen recordist
Posts: 10139
Joined: Tue May 13, 2003 8:08 am
Location: Chi
Contact:

Post by vvv » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:01 pm

Re needing 7 open tracks, you are assuming, Sr. drumsound, that he's using tape, no?

Just that onna 8-track digital recorder, the open middle channel wouldn't be necessary.
bandcamp;
blog.
I mix with olive juice.

drumsound
zen recordist
Posts: 7474
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:30 pm
Location: Bloomington IL
Contact:

Post by drumsound » Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:41 pm

vvv wrote:Re needing 7 open tracks, you are assuming, Sr. drumsound, that he's using tape, no?

Just that onna 8-track digital recorder, the open middle channel wouldn't be necessary.
You are correct. In my head I was confusing this thread with one about a Fostex r8 1/4" 8-track.

Mark
tinnitus
Posts: 1231
Joined: Fri May 30, 2003 12:50 pm
Location: Leicester, Uk
Contact:

Post by Mark » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:16 am

I'm using tape (1/4" to boot, but not a Fostex). I've found, from experience, that you can get away with bouncing to adjacent tracks on (relatively speaking) modern machines so long as you keep the levels on each of the to-be-bounced tracks reasonably below 0 dB.

I was talking to the guy who'll be engineering the sessions and he suggested we just do all four parts at once onto two tracks. Which is doable as three of us can play guitar and the fourth can busk it.

Then we do the other four parts on another pair of tracks and bounce the resulting four for an eight guitar strum orgy :twisted:

User avatar
vvv
zen recordist
Posts: 10139
Joined: Tue May 13, 2003 8:08 am
Location: Chi
Contact:

Post by vvv » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:15 am

Don't forget pictures. :twisted:
bandcamp;
blog.
I mix with olive juice.

User avatar
farview
tinnitus
Posts: 1204
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 1:42 pm
Location: St. Charles (chicago) IL
Contact:

Post by farview » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:20 pm

Are there actually 4 different guitar parts? Why not just use two performances and pan them, it normally gives you a bigger, more spacious sound that way.

Obviously, if you have multiple parts, you need more performances.

themagicmanmdt
george martin
Posts: 1347
Joined: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:47 pm
Location: home on the range

Post by themagicmanmdt » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:44 pm

bounce as you track!
we are the village green
preservation society
god bless +6 tape
valves and serviceability

*chief tech and R&D shaman at shadow hills industries*

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 79 guests