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Post by RefD » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:59 am

dwlb wrote:
Scodiddly wrote: Here's the history from somebody who started fooling around with home recording back in the 80s: Back then we would have killed for a Mackie board, and would have killed again for some of the cheap condensor mics currently flooding the market. Oy, and even 16/44.1 digital recording, compared to those cassette multitracks which had bad pitch and other sonic problems. Yes there was better stuff, but we couldn't afford it. Like home computers nowadays, current technology has reached a "good 'nuff" point for most of us. But the companies have to keep selling, so in comes the hard sell for stuff we don't really need.

Amen.
i still use my early 90s MS1202.

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Post by nakedemperor » Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:37 pm

Scodiddly wrote:current technology has reached a "good 'nuff" point for most of us. But the companies have to keep selling, so in comes the hard sell for stuff we don't really need.
That was exactly the "epiphany" I had when I wrote the original post. I'm not bashing the high-end stuff, someone out there is obviously making great use of it. But for me, personally, I have spent SO much time reading and researching and planning what I'm going to buy to make my next album just SUPER, and then suddenly, it was like a light went on, just realizing that 90% of the money I was about to spend would only give me "inches" of improvement. I'm recording doom metal for christ's sake, "fidelity" isn't exactly a requirement :)

My post-epiphany plan no longer involves thousands of dollars in gear and trying to compete sound-for-sound with engineers who devote their lives to sonics. God bless them, for they've certainly brought us a long way, but I can't let myself get distracted by the idea that if "I just have A, B and C, I'll get a good sound and that'll make my stuff 'good'." I'm not an engineer, I'm a musician. I don't hear what they hear and I probably never will. Neither will 99.99% of my audience. So for my case, "good enough" is good enough.

My new plan is:

??Get moved into my new place and mix for a couple months to learn the room and see if I can run any of those room tests (my new dB reader is ready to go!)

??Then, invest in some room treatment (not auralex, probably RealTraps or a competitor), as needed.

??Next, I'm going to get Firepod (or equivalent) and a copy of either DP or Logic (FUCK PRO TOOLS YOU FUCKING SUCK PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT THAT'S COST ME MORE TIME AND GREY HAIR THAN ANY OTHER FUCKING APPLICATION I'VE EVER FUCKING USED YOU FUCKING DIE DIE DIE YOU WHORE!!!!!).

??Finally, I'll probably break down and get a UAD-1, just so I have some decent plugs at my disposal. Maybe not, though. We'll see.

??After than, maybe I'll get an SM-57. I've heard good things about them ;)

That should save me about $7,000 in gear I was planning to buy. And the time I would have inevitably spent researching purchases and learning how to install, use and troubleshoot the new toys will now go to writing more songs and recording them with gear I more or less know. And if those songs are good enough, maybe we'll get someone else to record the next batch and let them worry about the $35 foam pads and comb-filtering and all of that stuff that only "experienced" listeners will ever have a hope in hell of hearing anyway.

New priorities. Kinda liberating.

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Post by joel hamilton » Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:18 pm

dwlb wrote:
Scodiddly wrote: Here's the history from somebody who started fooling around with home recording back in the 80s: Back then we would have killed for a Mackie board, and would have killed again for some of the cheap condensor mics currently flooding the market. Oy, and even 16/44.1 digital recording, compared to those cassette multitracks which had bad pitch and other sonic problems. Yes there was better stuff, but we couldn't afford it. Like home computers nowadays, current technology has reached a "good 'nuff" point for most of us. But the companies have to keep selling, so in comes the hard sell for stuff we don't really need.

Amen.
Totally.

I would have totally given a tooth or two for a mackie and even two tracks of decent (non linear) digital audio at that point.
In retrospect, I wouldnt have learned a LOT of what I did learn, but that is MY problem, not the gear's problem....

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Post by trodden » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:36 pm

ummm.. i blame the computer for this psot.
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Post by trodden » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:48 pm

nakedemperor wrote:
Scodiddly wrote:current technology has reached a "good 'nuff" point for most of us. But the companies have to keep selling, so in comes the hard sell for stuff we don't really need.
That was exactly the "epiphany" I had when I wrote the original post. I'm not bashing the high-end stuff, someone out there is obviously making great use of it. But for me, personally, I have spent SO much time reading and researching and planning what I'm going to buy to make my next album just SUPER, and then suddenly, it was like a light went on, just realizing that 90% of the money I was about to spend would only give me "inches" of improvement. I'm recording doom metal for christ's sake, "fidelity" isn't exactly a requirement :)

My post-epiphany plan no longer involves thousands of dollars in gear and trying to compete sound-for-sound with engineers who devote their lives to sonics. God bless them, for they've certainly brought us a long way, but I can't let myself get distracted by the idea that if "I just have A, B and C, I'll get a good sound and that'll make my stuff 'good'." I'm not an engineer, I'm a musician. I don't hear what they hear and I probably never will. Neither will 99.99% of my audience. So for my case, "good enough" is good enough.

My new plan is:

??Get moved into my new place and mix for a couple months to learn the room and see if I can run any of those room tests (my new dB reader is ready to go!)

??Then, invest in some room treatment (not auralex, probably RealTraps or a competitor), as needed.

??Next, I'm going to get Firepod (or equivalent) and a copy of either DP or Logic (FUCK PRO TOOLS YOU FUCKING SUCK PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT THAT'S COST ME MORE TIME AND GREY HAIR THAN ANY OTHER FUCKING APPLICATION I'VE EVER FUCKING USED YOU FUCKING DIE DIE DIE YOU WHORE!!!!!).

??Finally, I'll probably break down and get a UAD-1, just so I have some decent plugs at my disposal. Maybe not, though. We'll see.

??After than, maybe I'll get an SM-57. I've heard good things about them ;)

That should save me about $7,000 in gear I was planning to buy. And the time I would have inevitably spent researching purchases and learning how to install, use and troubleshoot the new toys will now go to writing more songs and recording them with gear I more or less know. And if those songs are good enough, maybe we'll get someone else to record the next batch and let them worry about the $35 foam pads and comb-filtering and all of that stuff that only "experienced" listeners will ever have a hope in hell of hearing anyway.

New priorities. Kinda liberating.
dood, you're doing doom metal, you should come over and hang out. I was fortunate though to have Billy Anderson record and produce our latest soon to be released rekidd. sick.. fuckin' sick, the guy is wonderful, as a person and an engineer and its his records that got me interested in this geekdom many years ago.. fuck the first time i heard the melvins, damad, eyehategod, and neurosis records he did... i was hooked.

the previous earlier posted mentioned blue fuckmas lights have helped set the mood at least. But really, just record, and record again. I've been trying to do this recording thing for awhile now and just now starting to get satisfactory results. Don't believe the hype and just try with what you have. Hell some of my better recorded stuff was back when i didn't know what i was doing and wasnt' affected by the advertising gear porn industry... but just depended on what i was hearing, cause that's all i had.. didn't know shit about recording or how some gear worked, but just listened and "well that doesn't sound how i want it... lets try this.." and honestly sometimes, the more "tools" i have the more complicated and confused i get at times until i figure them out or have the time to listen to what those tools do. Really, what has been the most priority for me lately, is that i've got to make my monitoring/listening environment more familiar, and know what i'm hearing. the thing with doom metal, you want all the extra doom, and that usually means low end, i'm still struggling with the bottom register, and fuck i play in a band with two bass players, after 8 years of that i should know what to do with that shit, but fuck its hard.. cause i don't know what i'm hearing and that is what i'm needing to work on... my hearing and my recognition of what my ears are sending my brain and what my brain is thinking. and yes i've got a buzz.

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Post by shedshrine » Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:57 am

Happy spring!

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Post by jimjazzdad » Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:27 am

shedshrine wrote:
Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:57 am
Happy spring!
Yup, happy April Necro Fool's Day to you as well!
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Post by logancircle » Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:06 am

It sounds like you’re well on your way to kicking ass. As long as you continue putting this much energy into getting really good at making records, which includes being critical, you will find your voice and your own palette of tools that aren’t bullshit. Some of them may not apply to every studio, and a lot of them only apply in specific rooms. Who cares. Just keep asking questions and following your game plan, whether it agrees with the industry standard or not.
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Post by vvv » Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:25 pm

logancircle wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:06 am
It sounds like you ...
Are you talkin' to the 2022 posting-guys, or t'ovver? :twisted:
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Post by logancircle » Sat Apr 02, 2022 4:36 pm

vvv, 🤦🏼‍♂️ Yeah if I’d looked at the date this might’ve been relevant, long ago. I’m livin in the paaaast maaaan!
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Post by vvv » Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:04 pm

:lol:

April Fools strike again.
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Post by vernier » Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:31 pm

As for what the OP is asking ...yes, 95% of everything you read could be bs. And that goes for all books and media in life. Only trust info from your personal experience. And from the one or two people in your life that you know to be a good and honest source.

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Post by trodden » Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:50 pm

IT'S ALL CRAP!

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Post by I'm Painting Again » Mon Apr 04, 2022 7:28 pm

I'm critiquing people's mixes for $35

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Post by trodden » Mon Apr 04, 2022 7:44 pm

I'm Painting Again wrote:
Mon Apr 04, 2022 7:28 pm
I'm critiquing people's mixes for $35
Toad the Wet Sprocket, homie.

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