Guitar Tone
Guitar Tone
I am wondering if anyone could help me with achieving the guitar tones heard on a couple of albums - Braid's "Frame & Canvas" and Cursive's "The Ugly Organ." I know both bands use Marshall heads live; however, I have no idea what they do in the studio. I'm using a Mesa Boogie Stiletto. Any direction would be great, thanks.
Urbana's too dark.
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what kind of guitar are you using? if i remember correctly, both braid and cursive use humbucking guitars, like les pauls.
another metal guitar tip is to put a fan in front of you while you play, so it blows your stupid long hair around like the solo is BLOWING YOU AWAY because you're a fucking tool.
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cursive's tone on the ugly organ strikes me as being mid-rangy and percussive. um......i guess i'm not being much help.
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another metal guitar tip is to put a fan in front of you while you play, so it blows your stupid long hair around like the solo is BLOWING YOU AWAY because you're a fucking tool.
My impression with Braid is that they don't use a ton of gain. Also, it can depend on *which* marshall head they are using. If it's a JMP, or JCM800, or JCM900. Tones can vary a lot from amp-to-amp. Since they recorded with J Robbins at Inner Ear, you might be able to expand your search by checking out the Inner Ear gear list:
http://www.innerearstudio.com/gear.php
Or, heck, you might even e-mail J Robbins and ask him what they used:
http://www.jrobbins.net/
The worst he can do is not respond.
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http://www.innerearstudio.com/gear.php
Or, heck, you might even e-mail J Robbins and ask him what they used:
http://www.jrobbins.net/
The worst he can do is not respond.
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To be honest, I believe you can get most of the same tones pretty cheap using a Lead 100 MOSFET head. Not the 80's red model, but the early 60's Lead 100 from Marshall. The 1964 Lead 100 has a great, raucousy, clean punk sound.
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[/quote]To be honest, I believe you can get most of the same tones pretty cheap using a Lead 100 MOSFET head. Not the 80's red model, but the early 60's Lead 100 from Marshall. The 1964 Lead 100 has a great, raucousy, clean punk sound. .[/quote]
Early '60s Lead 100 MOSFET? Huh? The MOSFET transistor wasn't even invented yet. Marshall didn't even make a solid state amp until the '70s. Heck, they didn't even make a 100 watt amp until '65.
According to the Marshall book the Lead 100 MOSFET was only made in the '80s. Not a bad amp though and you can find them for $200-$300 bucks
Early '60s Lead 100 MOSFET? Huh? The MOSFET transistor wasn't even invented yet. Marshall didn't even make a solid state amp until the '70s. Heck, they didn't even make a 100 watt amp until '65.
According to the Marshall book the Lead 100 MOSFET was only made in the '80s. Not a bad amp though and you can find them for $200-$300 bucks
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To be honest, I believe you can get most of the same tones pretty cheap using a Lead 100 MOSFET head. Not the 80's red model, but the early 60's Lead 100 from Marshall. The 1964 Lead 100 has a great, raucousy, clean punk sound. .[/quote]Silverjet89 wrote:
Early '60s Lead 100 MOSFET? Huh? The MOSFET transistor wasn't even invented yet. Marshall didn't even make a solid state amp until the '70s. Heck, they didn't even make a 100 watt amp until '65.
According to the Marshall book the Lead 100 MOSFET was only made in the '80s. Not a bad amp though and you can find them for $200-$300 bucks[/quote]
1967, sorry, my bad for the typo. I don't care what your book says. I owned [and played through] a 1967 Marshall Lead 100 MOSFET head and MATCHING half stack loaded with 4x10's for 5 years.
The Lead 100 you're speaking of that's made in the 80's is the model 3210. Different animal, amigo. And MOSFET was experimental through the 50's until the mid 60's when surface problems were finally resolved. By '68 MOSFET was being used more in commercial circuits.
Here's a picture of a '67 Lead 100 MOSFET in all it's glory:
http://www.musicgoround.com/gear/invent ... ?id=271015
I'm not trying to argue here; just setting the record straight.
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Marshall history line states their first tranny model was 1974 - http://www.marshallamps.com/heritage/fi ... _30_02.asp
Interestingly that picture you showed for the MOSFET 100 - seems not look a 1960s Marshall (I had a 1967 JTM45 once - it was all black leather and script logos)
Interestingly that picture you showed for the MOSFET 100 - seems not look a 1960s Marshall (I had a 1967 JTM45 once - it was all black leather and script logos)
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I read up on the Stiletto. With it's el-34s you should be able to get close.
I would set it to crunch, and roll back the gain until you absolutely can't play any riffs anymore, then just put a little tiny bit back on it. Then play it like that for a week. At the end of that week, take off a little more gain. Keep doing that until it sounds like "All Right Now" by Free. At full band volume, you can probably roll the lows off all the way, then bring them back in until it doesn't sound like ass anymore. Just guessing from jcm 800 experience, this could be around 3-4. Then it's probably mostly mids, up around 7-8 and set the highs a bit higher than sounds good and you'll stand out well in a band mix.
Just my total wild guess.
I would set it to crunch, and roll back the gain until you absolutely can't play any riffs anymore, then just put a little tiny bit back on it. Then play it like that for a week. At the end of that week, take off a little more gain. Keep doing that until it sounds like "All Right Now" by Free. At full band volume, you can probably roll the lows off all the way, then bring them back in until it doesn't sound like ass anymore. Just guessing from jcm 800 experience, this could be around 3-4. Then it's probably mostly mids, up around 7-8 and set the highs a bit higher than sounds good and you'll stand out well in a band mix.
Just my total wild guess.
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